Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on November 07, 2006, 06:23:07 PM
http://media.putfile.com/cleaning-a-bowling-ball
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Post by: Noy on November 08, 2006, 03:37:28 AM
I appreciate the effort put into the vid, although I do have concerns.
1) Applying the Clean N Dull with a Scotch Brite pad.
I'd imagine that using a pad would dull the surface of the ball down to the rating of the pad. If your desired surface is what is produced by the pad then its all fine and dandy, but I think a simple towel would suffice is applying the CND.
2) The "dirt and oil" on the ball and towel looks like the residue from sanding with the pad. Again, just a little inaccuracy.
Maybe you could turn this video into a "How to DEEP clean your ball" then state at the end that the person would need to sand back up and possibly repolish the ball after the process is finished.
Overall, pretty good instructional vid. Maybe cut it shorter on the repetitive parts, but again, great overall effort and instruction.
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Post by: cficare068 on November 08, 2006, 04:13:17 AM
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Hey bro,
I appreciate the effort put into the vid, although I do have concerns.
1) Applying the Clean N Dull with a Scotch Brite pad.
I'd imagine that using a pad would dull the surface of the ball down to the rating of the pad. If your desired surface is what is produced by the pad then its all fine and dandy, but I think a simple towel would suffice is applying the CND.
2) The "dirt and oil" on the ball and towel looks like the residue from sanding with the pad. Again, just a little inaccuracy.
Maybe you could turn this video into a "How to DEEP clean your ball" then state at the end that the person would need to sand back up and possibly repolish the ball after the process is finished.
Overall, pretty good instructional vid. Maybe cut it shorter on the repetitive parts, but again, great overall effort and instruction.
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Edited on 11/8/2006 4:32 AM
Actually if shouldn't dull the ball since the grit on the Scotch Brite pad is the same as the surface of the ball. Now if where to use a green scotch brite then that would be a problem and dull the ball down since it is roughly equal to 600 grit. But if the ball already has an 800 grit finish and you are using an 800 grit pad then your not going to affect anything.
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Post by: Noy on November 08, 2006, 04:30:02 AM
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Hey bro,
I appreciate the effort put into the vid, although I do have concerns.
1) Applying the Clean N Dull with a Scotch Brite pad.
I'd imagine that using a pad would dull the surface of the ball down to the rating of the pad. If your desired surface is what is produced by the pad then its all fine and dandy, but I think a simple towel would suffice is applying the CND.
2) The "dirt and oil" on the ball and towel looks like the residue from sanding with the pad. Again, just a little inaccuracy.
Maybe you could turn this video into a "How to DEEP clean your ball" then state at the end that the person would need to sand back up and possibly repolish the ball after the process is finished.
Overall, pretty good instructional vid. Maybe cut it shorter on the repetitive parts, but again, great overall effort and instruction.
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Edited on 11/8/2006 4:32 AM
Actually if shouldn't dull the ball since the grit on the Scotch Brite pad is the same as the surface of the ball. Now if where to use a green scotch brite then that would be a problem and dull the ball down since it is roughly equal to 600 grit. But if the ball already has an 800 grit finish and you are using an 800 grit pad then your not going to affect anything.
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Yes, I know, and I said "If your desired surface is what is produced by the pad then its all fine and dandy, but I think a simple towel would suffice is applying the CND."
People can misinterpret the vid and think that you HAVE to use the grey pad everytime you use CND.
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Post by: Weaser on November 08, 2006, 06:50:54 AM
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 08, 2006, 10:48:43 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 08, 2006, 11:15:17 AM
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If you used that pad with ANY pressure on a polished ball, it WILL dull it
A white pad on a polished ball WILL NOT dull the ball.
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Using a clean terrycloth hand towel to apply on a spinner or by hand works just as good as any method there is.
Applying Clean & Dull on a spinner leaves a sheen on the ball.
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Post by: Noy on November 08, 2006, 12:33:19 PM
quote:quote:
If you used that pad with ANY pressure on a polished ball, it WILL dull it
A white pad on a polished ball WILL NOT dull the ball.
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Using a clean terrycloth hand towel to apply on a spinner or by hand works just as good as any method there is.
Applying Clean & Dull on a spinner leaves a sheen on the ball.
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A white pad, regardless of its abrasiveness, is still ABRASIVE. While it may not dull a ball to the extent that a gray or green pad will, it still dulls the ball to an extent regardless of how much pressure you apply. Just like if you took a finely sanded and polished piece of metal (back of an ipod) and ran a white pad over it, you'll see the scratches.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 08, 2006, 02:00:27 PM
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A white pad, regardless of its abrasiveness, is still ABRASIVE. While it may not dull a ball to the extent that a gray or green pad will, it still dulls the ball to an extent regardless of how much pressure you apply.
NO! It doesn't have the least bit of effect on the coverstock.
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Post by: Noy on November 08, 2006, 02:30:01 PM
quote:quote:
A white pad, regardless of its abrasiveness, is still ABRASIVE. While it may not dull a ball to the extent that a gray or green pad will, it still dulls the ball to an extent regardless of how much pressure you apply.
NO! It doesn't have the least bit of effect on the coverstock.
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Then tell me sir, why would one use a white pad or even suggest it if it makes no difference to the cover? I've seen many posts here that suggest the white pad has a grit rating.
Here's what Im referring to: http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5
SCOTCHBRITE GRIT CHART (courtesy of Charlest)
3M Scotch Brite Nylon Pads:
7445 - White pad, called Light Duty Cleansing - (1000) 1200-1500 grit
7448 - Light Grey, called Ultra Fine Hand - (600-800) 800 grit.
6448 - Green (?), called Light Duty Hand Pad - (600) 600 grit
7447 - Maroon pad, called General Purpose Hand - (320-400) 320 grit
6444 - Brown pad, called Extra Duty Hand - (280-320) 240 grit
7446 - Dark Grey pad, called Blending Pad (180-220) 150 grit
7440 - Tan pad, called Heavy Duty Hand Pad - (120-150) 60(?)
Green Scotch Brite is available EVERYWHERE. It's 600 grit.
Blue Scotch-Brite is considered to be about 1000 grit.
(The value inside the parentheses is directly from 3M.)
3M Chart
Less Aggressive --------> More Aggressive
7445 7448 6448 7447 6444 7446 7440
Finer Finish --------> Coarser Finish
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Post by: SnoopyCanBowl on November 08, 2006, 02:41:31 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on November 08, 2006, 02:47:07 PM
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 08, 2006, 03:05:47 PM
quote:quote:
If you used that pad with ANY pressure on a polished ball, it WILL dull it
A white pad on a polished ball WILL NOT dull the ball.
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Using a clean terrycloth hand towel to apply on a spinner or by hand works just as good as any method there is.
Applying Clean & Dull on a spinner leaves a sheen on the ball.
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Brick, reread my reply. I said if you use "THAT"(800 grit) pad on a polished ball with any pressure it will dull it.
Also, C&D on a spinner "WILL NOT" leave a sheen on a dull ball if you spray the ball down with water and dry with a micro fiber towel as I stated. That will take any sheen or residue off the cover.
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Post by: Noy on November 08, 2006, 03:13:39 PM
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Then tell me sir, why would one use a white pad or even suggest it if it makes no difference to the cover? I've seen many posts here that suggest the white pad has a grit rating.
My theory? Abralon and sand paper actually have an abrasive medium that they use to achieve the grit value.
Where as S/B doesn't have any other than the coarseness of the nylon fiber that's used in the manufacturing. As you get to the finer grits, the nylon gets softer and has less effect on harder surfaces.
That make any sense?
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It makes perfect sense, but what got me was the statement that it wouldn't have any physical affect on the ball. I still think it will bring the cover down to some extent regardless of how little it is, but I also believe that if you did it by hand, it wouldnt be so easy. Thanks for the enlightenment =)
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 08, 2006, 06:07:31 PM
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Then tell me sir, why would one use a white pad or even suggest it if it makes no difference to the cover? I've seen many posts here that suggest the white pad has a grit rating.
Noy, it has a grit rating of something like 1200-1500 or more but it is not abrasive and strong enough to change the surface. Especially when only doing it lightly when cleaning the ball. I've even seen Charlest post that it is difficult to alter the surface with a white pad. Even when using a spinner and putting heavy pressure on it. I have cleaned doezens or more of polished and pearlized balls for a long-long time with it and have yet to see it change the surface, regardless of what the numbers say.
Go back and read what Dead Flush wrote above and you will see he says the same thing.
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Edited on 11/8/2006 7:03 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 08, 2006, 06:19:34 PM
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Brick, reread my reply. I said if you use "THAT"(800 grit) pad on a polished ball with any pressure it will dull it.
Legend, I DON'T NEED to re-read your reply. I KNOW what you said....You said a 800 grit pad will dull a polished ball of which I agree. I said.... A white pad on a polished ball WILL NOT dull the ball which is also correct. I wasn't questioning what you said. I was simply stating to use a white pad on a polished ball and it will not dull the ball. OK?
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Edited on 11/8/2006 7:12 PM
Post by: legend4life95 on November 08, 2006, 06:58:44 PM
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on November 08, 2006, 07:55:11 PM
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and I said "PLEASE, I ONLY WANT TO GET ONE MORE BALL." he responded "THAT WAS WHAT 12 BALLS AGO." I said back "WELL, YA BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT."
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Post by: smash8-10split on November 08, 2006, 08:25:11 PM
ANY "grit" will cause a ball to not be shiny.
I use 1500 grit and 2000 grit sandpaper EVERYDAY, and sometimes 3000. You tell me it would make things dull?
YOUR WRONG
working in auto painting and finishing, i get to know all the ropes. Polishing and sanding works just about the same as balls, and most of the compounds are used on cars.
Yes, i use abralon pads too, using them is EXACTLY like using sandpaper. They just last a little longer.
When something is polished, all the polish does is fill in the (scratch) And when you use any type of "grit" on it will change the surface. Granted using 3K grit paper wont cut it as fast as 1500 but it WILL eventually get completely dull.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on November 08, 2006, 08:45:51 PM
The key to NOT changing the surface of the ball is to apply VERY little to NO pressure to the pad. If you want it a tad more dull then you simply apply a touch of pressure with the pad.
I have never seen a white pad change the grit of a polished ball using this method.
I use different scotchbrites depending on the grit that it was at OOB. If a ball was 1500 smooth OOB then I use a worn grey pad.....the ball looks new.
I do not like using a spinner to clean a ball....deep cleaning or not. I have seen far too many instances where the cleaner will actually "burn" into the surface of the ball. Cleaning by hand is much more affective in my opinion.
Goodluck,
Carl
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 08, 2006, 09:58:02 PM
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Folks, I showed Mark how to deep clean a bowling ball. This is the very method I have used for roughly 4yrs.
The key to NOT changing the surface of the ball is to apply VERY little to NO pressure to the pad. If you want it a tad more dull then you simply apply a touch of pressure with the pad.
I have never seen a white pad change the grit of a polished ball using this method.
I use different scotchbrites depending on the grit that it was at OOB. If a ball was 1500 smooth OOB then I use a worn grey pad.....the ball looks new.
I do not like using a spinner to clean a ball....deep cleaning or not. I have seen far too many instances where the cleaner will actually "burn" into the surface of the ball. Cleaning by hand is much more affective in my opinion.
Goodluck,
Carl
Thanks for your input Carl. It backs up what some of us that know what we are talking about from both knowledge and experience, have been saying here. In fact if you will recall, you are the one that taught me to do it like Scoot showed in his video. The only place I differ from what Scoot showed is that I don't work the ball as long as he does because I clean my dull balls with C & D every 3-6 games and my polished/pearl balls every 9-12 games, so I don't have to work the cleaner that long to get them clean.
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Post by: Djarum on November 09, 2006, 08:37:46 AM
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 09, 2006, 01:02:55 PM
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Thanks for your input Carl. It backs up what some of us that know what we are talking about from both knowledge and experience, have been saying here.
So you think I don't know what I'm talking about? Opinions are like ass-holes...everyone has them. You feel your way is best and I feel my way is best. The end.
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 09, 2006, 01:07:58 PM
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I also think a white scotchbrite is closer to 1000-1200 in grit. I say this because I also have a very ungrited red scotchbrite pad that need a spinner on highspeed to really start to dull a ball. So I think that is something like 1500-2000.
If you have to press hard with a red(maroon) pad to get it to dull a ball, then you are using a cheap generic version pad and not a "3M-scotchbrite" pad. Remember, the grit chart that has been passed along here for several years represents the grits from "3M" brand pads. Generic pads most time are worthless.
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 09, 2006, 01:15:36 PM
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I agree that the dry towel with the clean and dull will work on say a ball that hasnt been used alot and it is say like a pearl, or a ball you highly polish.
False. The towel method will work on polished,dull,pearl,solid,particle or whatever. It does not work better for any particular one. It works excellent on all. Whether the ball have 100 games on it since cleaning last or 3 games. I clean my equipment the same way after every outing. I get a decent amount of dirt and oil off everytime.
When I clean some other peoples equipment that hardly ever take care off their stuff, I will use a whole hand towel on a couple balls. I will keep getting so much dirt and oil out of theirs, I have to use a different side of the rag and repeat. The whole towel will be black when done.
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Post by: ejwissner on November 09, 2006, 07:26:14 PM
Thanks for taking the time to create the video.
Eric
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on November 09, 2006, 11:24:28 PM
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I also think a white scotchbrite is closer to 1000-1200 in grit. I say this because I also have a very ungrited red scotchbrite pad that need a spinner on highspeed to really start to dull a ball. So I think that is something like 1500-2000.
If you have to press hard with a red(maroon) pad to get it to dull a ball, then you are using a cheap generic version pad and not a "3M-scotchbrite" pad. Remember, the grit chart that has been passed along here for several years represents the grits from "3M" brand pads. Generic pads most time are worthless.
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Ok I said red not maroon, I ment red like the color of a brite shinning stop sign. If I was saying a maroon pad as you state, I would call it burgandy because maroon is the color of my corsica and the 400 grit scotchbrite pad from 3m is darker then that. Also if the ball is super dirty and you use only the towel you are not alowing the cleaning to really get into the pores of the ball. This is why you use a scotchbrite so it cuts through the dirt, grim, and oil so it can get in there and pull it out better. I never said it doesnt work just saying that when you use it on a ball say the inertia and you want to keep it as much of oob as you can. Then I say try to use a towel only so you dont remove any of the oob polish. I never made this post with the video to get people on here to start ranting on how, that isnt how I do it and my way is better. I only posted this as an guid line on as how to clean as the back of the bottle says. Some people dont truly understand the way the back of the bottle says becuase sometimes words are use on it that they may not understand. I am in no way saying that the way you clean your bowling balls is wrong, I am just saying I clean my equipment this way and people who come into the proshops equipment this way. I just think I get a better clean with the pads and no spinner. I also know that I not only clean my equipment this way but, many of the people who come into carls proshop have me do their equipment this way and in the almost 3 years I have done it, not once as any of the almost 25 people with at least 2 none plastic balls, said that the way I did there ball not work to the way they wanted (said this in a meaning it way).
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 10, 2006, 12:07:22 AM
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Post by: StrikeMonster on November 10, 2006, 12:21:27 AM
Post by: legend4life95 on November 10, 2006, 10:41:14 AM
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Ok I said red not maroon, I ment red like the color of a brite shinning stop sign. If I was saying a maroon pad as you state, I would call it burgandy because maroon is the color of my corsica and the 400 grit scotchbrite pad from 3m is darker then that.
As I stated before, you may be referring to a generic pad because to my knowledge 3M does not make a red scotchbrite pad besides the maroon. Generic brand pads are inferior and if you can get them to change the surface then the same grit chart does not apply.
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 10, 2006, 10:43:18 AM
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Also if the ball is super dirty and you use only the towel you are not alowing the cleaning to really get into the pores of the ball.
Again, this is your opinion and mine is that it works very well deep cleaning.
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 10, 2006, 10:51:19 AM
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Scoot, you did great. The video was great. You did a great job of showing how to clean a ball. The way you were cleaning it was taught to you by Carl of whom has been successful cleaning like that for 4 years. Carl taught me and I have been successful cleaning like that for 2 years. Countless others have been successful cleaning balls that same way, so just ignore that one person that keeps disputing how you clean the ball, what you use, and etc. It works for you, it works for Carl, it works for me, it works for countless others, so that is all that matters is that .......IT WORKS!
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Brick, I don't care who taught who and who passed it along, that has nothing to do with it. I have not said you all are doing it wrong. What works for you works. However, I am stating that using a grey pad on a highly polished ball will take some polish off with any pressure. This is fine if the bowler accepts the change. Now if you use the white pad with CND on a polished ball the results will not be as noticeable.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 10, 2006, 11:07:18 AM
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Brick, I don't care who taught who and who passed it along, that has nothing to do with it. I have not said you all are doing it wrong. What works for you works. However, I am stating that using a grey pad on a highly polished ball will take some polish off with any pressure. This is fine if the bowler accepts the change. Now if you use the white pad with CND on a polished ball the results will not be as noticeable.
Did I mention your name??? You are the first person I have ever seen that continually creates commotion about cleaning a ball. You are happy with how you do it, so continue doing it that way and let everyone else do it their way.
Geeeez, get a life and drop it man.
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Post by: legend4life95 on November 10, 2006, 11:26:29 AM
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so just ignore that one person that keeps disputing how you clean the ball
This is where I assume you are referring to me.
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Did I mention your name??? You are the first person I have ever seen that continually creates commotion about cleaning a ball. You are happy with how you do it, so continue doing it that way and let everyone else do it their way.
Geeeez, get a life and drop it man.
I will continue to use my method and you should continue to use your method. I am not trying to talk you out of your method. I simply disagree that you all state it will not change the surface. Thats life bro.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on November 10, 2006, 02:06:34 PM
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and I said "PLEASE, I ONLY WANT TO GET ONE MORE BALL." he responded "THAT WAS WHAT 12 BALLS AGO." I said back "WELL, YA BUT THAT IS NOT THE POINT."
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Edited on 11/10/2006 3:00 PM
Post by: legend4life95 on November 10, 2006, 03:01:47 PM
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Also show me where I state that the white pad wont change the surface.
You did not state that. Brick did and thats who my comment was directed to. Here is the quote from his first response to this thread.
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A white pad on a polished ball WILL NOT dull the ball.
Scoot, it seems you are on the same page as me with with your last post. A grey pad will work perfect and not alter the surface if the said ball is already at that grit(800). Brick has stated before in the past that it will not alter the surface on ANY dull ball as long as you use light pressure. He also stated that a white pad WILL NOT dull a polished ball. This is the whole argument I have with this thread.
My only disagreement with you (scoot) is that you say using a towel will not deep clean the pores of the ball if the ball has alot of usage on it since last cleaning. My experiences for the last couple years says different.
Like I said, I'll do it my way and you all do it yours. No biggie.
And since Brick thinks I need to get a life and let it die, so be it. This will be my last reply in this thread.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on November 10, 2006, 03:53:28 PM
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And since Brick thinks I need to get a life and let it die, so be it. This will be my last reply in this thread.
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