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FastTracker33

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Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« on: September 02, 2006, 11:26:32 AM »
Hey everyone i am getting an Inertia from Clint, and was already wondering how to drill it.

I asked my driller how to lay it out and he said..
" I would put your CG on the PAP and place the pin in a 45 degree angle towards your fingers. Keep in mind that the pin will be the distance away from your axis point as it is from the CG. This is a variation of an axis leverage drilling. I have very high success with this layout. Very smooth and strong "
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Now what exactly would this do in reaction? He said smooth and strong, but has anybody used a layout like this?
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2006, 07:29:28 PM »
If you're getting it from Clint I'd suggest asking him how he'd lay it out for you.  From what I've seen here he is VERY knowledgable about drilling Track's asymmetrical equipment.
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2006, 08:46:58 PM »
He told me to get a 3-4 inch pin, and 2 1/2 oz of top weight..
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2006, 09:25:35 PM »
Brian,

Double check him on that.  Putting your CG on the PAP will place the Mass Bias well past your VAL (Vertical Axis Line).  Not so sure that's a good idea, in addition to having too much side weight, which will require a hole past your PAP as well...


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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2006, 09:34:05 PM »
I'll see if i can catch him tonight, and see if he can post what he means. My driller is also a user here, his name is BeansProShop, and he's a great driller! I think he knows what he's talking about but i'll ask him to double check on that, and like i said he'll either post what he means or i'll post.

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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2006, 10:35:45 PM »
Brian; Clint is very good at figuring out what layout to give you based on what you want the ball to do! He has drilled on the order of 8-10 balls for me over the past year and i have been very pleased with his drilling capabilities and layouts for me(from my house to Clint's is a 2 hour drive!).I think you will be very happy with Clint's abilities as a ball driller!


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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2006, 11:02:11 PM »
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Brian,

The only concern I have is the same as it was the last time you got a ball drilled......where is the MB going to be placed?

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Ok thanks Carl, i'll ask Beans that as well. He should be online soon...
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2006, 11:03:02 PM »
Oh Carl, does everything sound ok for what Beans told me how to get it drilled so far?
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2006, 07:54:53 AM »
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Oh Carl, does everything sound ok for what Beans told me how to get it drilled so far?
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SO you're using this for heavy oil??

I was under the impression that for balls with a high mass bias (anything over .08"; this one is .021 or thereabouts?) the position of the CG is irrelevant, as Carl was too polite to point out. The position of the pin and the MB is paramount.
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Mark T. Trgovac

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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2006, 09:05:56 AM »
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Oh Carl, does everything sound ok for what Beans told me how to get it drilled so far?
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SO you're using this for heavy oil??

I was under the impression that for balls with a high mass bias (anything over .08"; this one is .021 or thereabouts?) the position of the CG is irrelevant, as Carl was too polite to point out. The position of the pin and the MB is paramount.
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Not trying to jump on you or anything but the Inertia doesnt have a MB rating of .021 (That is what the apogee has.) The Inertia has a .015 MB. Yet the cg on an asymetrical ball does only really play a roll in weather or not the weights on the ball are legal.
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2006, 09:44:54 AM »
Mark,

I didn't say it was .021 PRECISELY; I did say "or thereabouts". In any case, anything, over .08" is significant. And is there anything in the Track drilling instructions for such balls that indicate you must be careful where the CG is placed??

All I was trying to get across was that if the pro shop was specifying where you should place the CG on a strong mass bias ball, and was totally ignoring where you should place the MB, then just maybe he's not the right person to drill the ball??

Carl's previous reply also indicated this was said before.
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2006, 02:54:39 PM »
charlest,

You are correct bud. I believe FastTracker has this happen with another ball when the driller described the layout.

CG location does not matter on asymmetrical equipment. Ofcourse it will matter when it comes to statics and where to place a weighthole.........which is why the layout that FastTracker metioned worried me.

Placing the CG on PAP on the Inertia could very well end up having the MB well past VAL.



FastTracker,

What kind of reaction are you looking for out of the Inertia? Where do you want it to fit in your arsenal.....and the balls that you want it to fit between, HOW are they laid out?

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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2006, 02:58:50 PM »
i would have him post here to confirm/reject. Maybe he could change his mind. Other than that - I would just let Clint lay it out - and drill one up for you instead of taking someone else's word.
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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2006, 03:08:25 PM »
machine,

I am not saying his driller is wrong or a bad driller at all. I am simply stating that if he wants us to confirm a good suggestion by his pro shop then we are going to need more info.

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Re: Inertia? Carl, Clint, Rick, anybody..?
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2006, 03:10:57 PM »
thats basically what I am saying as well. Just tell his driller to come on in and inform us what he meant. I am not saying he is bad at all either.
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