Post by: scotts33 on February 20, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
After considering a 718A vs. a 607A SE. I chose the 607A SE in that I thought of flatter conditions other than house conditions. It might be a little more controllable. I think I chose the right ball.
The 607A SE is laid out pin down 55* x 4 1/8" x 65* and x hole at P2. Pic below. My stats. are in my profile. I have taken the cover to a slight hand scuff with a 4000 abralon pad. It just broke the shine slightly but still gives good length and reads the mid lane and backend without the over reaction and carries well.
I have used it twice now and frankly if I had not shot big games in the initial game of both sets with a Hammer Jigsaw Trap 246 on Wed and 278 Thurs....I should have gone to the 607 A earlier in the 2nd game where I lost good ball reaction in the 2nd game. Both times the 3rd game with the 607A I shot large games moving in to 14 to 16 at arrows to a break point of 8-10.
What I think some players that struggle with the 607A is that they have put a pin up drilling on a strong skid-flip type ball and the ball is going to long and pinging 10's or they just aren't layout/cover matched. The pin down dual angle layout/slight cover scuff for me still gets good length and hard backend but it's not uncontrollable. Carry is fantastic. I have found a strong enough ball for good carry under my stronger fresh balls. Pin down 4" Cell, pin even 4" 920T and pin up 5" Hammer Trap.
Scott
Edited by scotts33 on 2/20/2011 at 9:33 AM
Post by: ElDiablo on February 20, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
The 607 is really a nice peice. Kinda funny we had a 54 person tourney in wttn today... although im responsible for alot of people throwing track equipment in town, 3 out of 4 at the end were throwing a 607. It really matches up on our wood surface and condition.
Post by: Gonz on February 20, 2011, 06:02:52 PM
Great looking pill Scott. I too have had succes with drilling pin under for balls offering this reaction shape. Had a lot of success with an Orge SS drilled and hand finished to 4000 exactly as you have shown and described.
Gonz
Post by: stopncrank on February 21, 2011, 07:00:41 AM
After seeing this ball in action when it came out, I had to have one. One thing I noticed too is the majority I saw were pin up drills, with massive over/under issues. So i found one for a steal, and went 5" pin to pap, which places the pin under my bridge, cg kicked 45 degrees and a hole on my axis to smooth it even more.
This ball still gets easy length, but a long continous backend is what i got, and wanted. Cant say enough about the reaction I get from this ball, and the carry is exceptional from most angles. I totally agree that with the correct drilling almost anyone can have success with this ball, it is that good.
Still taking your lunch money one strike at a time, just without a Mission in my bag....
Post by: vkowalski1970 on February 21, 2011, 07:20:57 AM
I have to admit, I had mine pin up, and I didnt like it at all....I never seemed to have a problem finding the pocket, I couldnt carry.....It always looked like it was expelling too much energy early and didnt have the hitting power..I tried every surface and polish imaginable.....I was lost....gave it to my buddy...
He drilled pin down 50x4x60 holeP2/P3
He has a lot less hand than I do but the ball rolled great for him this weekend. We bowled our friday night league on wood with guardian and a medium volume of oil and it looked like a totally different ball for him than it did for me in the past. He has it at 4000Ab and it was very smooth and continuous...he scored well(665) for the first night out with it.
Post by: scotts33 on February 21, 2011, 07:26:14 AM
I completely agree! I like the 607A SE a lot with this layout and surface touch up. If you are having issues with a pin up try something pin down with your layout and adjust surface slightly. A good pro shop should know your game and suggest this if that's what you are looking for.
Scott
Post by: nocarey on February 21, 2011, 03:34:13 PM
Gotta say this ball is a bargain for the price. . .A little surface adjustment and a strong layout prevent it from being too flippy but still with this layout it reminds me of a C-System 4.5 reaction.
Post by: scotts33 on February 21, 2011, 05:36:43 PM
Scott
Post by: nocarey on February 21, 2011, 08:41:19 PM
mass bias is identical to your pic, I put a 1 1/8 hole next to it inline with the pin cg
Post by: ccrider on February 21, 2011, 09:30:31 PM
One other thing, this cover soaks oil like a sponge. Really never seen this before in aTrack cover. If you start to lose reaction or hit, rejuvenate it.
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Post by: Spider Man on March 08, 2011, 10:53:05 AM
I too was not disappointed with this ball. And will strongly consider Track for my next ball. I initially was a little surprised with the amount of backend (drilled pin up) too but I adjusted speed / hand and now have no complaints. I used it this weekend in a tournament where I was in a late squad and the backends were a little toasty. I threw a ROF once and put it away for the 607.
on edit: red & yellow fingers w/ a black slug is the only way to go.
Linger Longer™
Edited by Spider Man on 3/8/2011 at 11:56 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 17, 2011, 03:43:04 AM
Just saw the other day and loved the look.
Drilled for the guy pin next to or just above(I forget exactly).
I loved the look of the Temper! How do people feel regarding this ball versus the Tempers pearl cousin the Tempest?
Regards,
Luckylefty
It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.
James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana
Post by: scotts33 on March 24, 2011, 06:55:29 AM
The 607A SE continues to impress. On a flatter condition comparable to a Natl's condition at Willow Creek in Green Bay, WI last weekend I used it with much success as my second ball. This pin down layout is perfect for me.
Last night in league 728 used it all three. Just kept moving in.
I really like the Track balls I have used this year and get what I have expected from them.
Scott
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 05, 2011, 11:31:30 AM
Scott, the drilling you put on that Track 607A is in the range of drillings that work best for me and my style on most all balls. Pin down drillings in the range of 50 x 4 x 70 .... 50 x 4 1/4 x 70 ... 60 x 4 3/8 x 65 ... etc and weight holes in the P3 seem to fit my style the best.
I came really close to buying a 607A back in February because I was impressed with the BTM ratings of it and the wide range of oils this ball covered. Talked to my pro shop guy about it and he didn't know anything about this ball so I ended opting for an Ebonite Game On instead. I like my Game On but still wonder at times if I should have bought a 607A...
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Post by: Nicanor on June 05, 2011, 04:56:23 PM
I just started throwing Track bowling balls again recently and first drilled two 718As. I wanted someting weaker so I thought the 607ASE would fit the bill. Drilled on 718A pin over bridge second pin over ring finger. Drilled the 607A very similar to Scott's except I drilled the pin out of the ring finger. The ball is way to over under. Much stronger then I thought it would be off the break point but skids forever in the oil. The ball will recover from anywhere on the lane with a lot of energy providiong it gets to a dry break point early enough.
I'm going to try and take some of the polish off the 607A and try it again. The ball has so much potential I'm hoping I can get a more consistant look with it.
Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Post by: themagician on June 05, 2011, 05:21:44 PM
Post by: scotts33 on June 05, 2011, 07:30:24 PM
I would have done that from the start OOB is way too skid flippy off the friction. See my original post and what I did with surface.
Scott
Post by: Billy Ray on June 06, 2011, 04:37:03 AM
Scott I want to congratulate you. I read your post and not many guys make me smile when I read their posts on here. You Really get IT! You understand that surface prep effects ball motion and that tweaking a shined ball is OK with surface to break the shine. We do alot of Demo Days and we preach that the balls OOB finish is not the end just a starting point and that all balls are designed to be custom fit to the customer, even the balls surface!
This is not sarcasm at all. Its great that some people understand this.
Also great thinking behind the layout also using the pin down on a ball that is by nature long and flippy.
I would imagine this piece is quite controllable but still skid/flip.
Again Congrats and keep bowling well.
Billy Ray
Track Pro Staff
Owner Rays Pro Shop
Inside Sparetime Lanes-East Greenbush
"Let Us Help You Become More Competitive"
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 06, 2011, 07:56:11 AM
Billy, you and Scotts are correct in what you say about adjusting the surface. I had a similar initial experience with an Ebonite Game On as you and Scotts on the 607A. The Game On skidded thru the break point and when it did finally turn, it had nothing on the back end.
The ball's surface was super shiney so I buffed a bit of the shine off (not all but a wee bit) with a gray Scotch Brite pad and the ball began working better for me. After a couple of weeks like that, I began thinking about how Brunswick used to do all shiney surfaces with 400 grit sanding and polish, so I then sanded it to 500 grit with an Abralon Pad and polished back with Ebonite Polish and the ball now works for the conditions I bought it for.
I almost bought the 607A and not the Game On (my pro shop guy didn't know much about the 607A nor Game On, but I had a couple of knowledgeable recommend the Game On) and still wonder even today if I should have bought the 607A.
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Post by: stopncrank on June 06, 2011, 10:14:30 AM
+1 on the surface prep, I think its the key for this ball in particular. I like mine at 2000-4000 with no polish, also have had success at 1000 with Storm's Reacta-Shine. I also have a friend who is on Track staff and swears by 1000 grit abralon pad with polish directly on the pad during application.
Ive had mine for almost a year now, and I still cant say enough about how good this ball in on the THS. Dont give up on the surface.
Still taking your lunch money one strike at a time, just without a Mission in my bag....
Post by: Billy Ray on June 06, 2011, 07:56:44 PM
Billy Ray
Track Pro Staff
Owner Rays Pro Shop
Inside Sparetime Lanes-East Greenbush
"Let Us Help You Become More Competitive"