Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 20, 2005, 03:14:50 PM
I am talking about the Rule GP2!!!!
This is not my mini review.....I do not have enough games on the balls to really post a "review" yet, but I have to offer up a few comments on what I have seen so far.
I drilled up 3 of them tonight and got a chance to throw roughly a game with each of them. One is drilled exactly how my Animal was drilled (leverage pin pin 1 1/4 above midline, MB on VAL), one was drilled with the pin above the ring finger MB 1/4 of an inch right of thumb, one drilled with the pin below the bridge MB 1 inch left of VAL.
Each of these balls has hook.......but they each do things totally different. The pin above ring finger opens up a lane with ease....the leverage pin rolls so early that this is going to be a tournament ball not much else.....pin below the bridge will work on most anything, it rolls early but retains a ton of energy for the backends.
The "insane" in the subject headline is aimed at the hook this ball offers. It had the early roll of the Animal, with more backend than the Rule. This ball shocked me with how much it moved. Another thing that stands out so far is how much backend it has for a dull ball...let alone the fact that it is a dull particle.
I will post my mini ASAP. But this thing is moves....and hits really hard. I can easily see how this ball can make people believe that Rick is a cranker.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: recognize_talent on January 21, 2005, 03:44:31 AM
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"Strikes show them you know the game. Spares show them you can play the game."
When you bowl a 300, then you have a little sense of what it is like to be Jesus Christ.
A wise man knows when he is beat, it's time you RECOGNIZE Talent!!!
Post by: clintdaley on January 21, 2005, 06:34:05 AM
Clint
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Post by: Ernie McCracken on January 21, 2005, 08:56:49 AM
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Evolutionary. Revolutionary.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 21, 2005, 09:53:32 AM
So far the one that intrigues me the most is the pin over ring finger, mb just right of thumb. When I throw it the ball seems to do absolutely nothing, but when the backend comes into play you just see it rev incredibly quick.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: bowler257628 on January 21, 2005, 09:56:26 AM
... So I take it you FINALLY got your ball EX? LOL--------------------
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Post by: tenpinspro on January 21, 2005, 10:01:56 AM
What does the pin under bridge with mb one inch left of val look like compared to your arsenal. #2 came in for me, I'm trying to decide which way to go....thanks.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 21, 2005, 10:14:54 AM
That ball is easily stronger than anything else I have (other than the leverage pin GP2).
Earlier rolling and strong backend than the Rule I had drilled 3in pin from PAP MB in close to the #3 position. It is very difficult to compare any of these to anything else I currently have because there is no comparison. I was in awe every time I threw these balls lastnight. 26 strikes in a row with 3 different balls and 3 different lines.
To try to sum up the layout on the pin under bridge ball....with the same layout I had a Fear Factor (this was well over a year ago) the Fear Factor did not roll as quickly and did not have near the backend that this ball has. If this does not help, just call me----maybe I can explain it better on the phone.
This ball is just alot of fun to throw.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: Ernie McCracken on January 21, 2005, 11:05:01 AM
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26 strikes in a row with 3 different balls and 3 different lines.
Holy s*it!
Rick, now I'm not sure if I can wait till Monday!
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Post by: tenpinspro on January 21, 2005, 11:43:35 AM
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Post by: J_Mac on January 21, 2005, 11:45:35 AM
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To try to sum up the layout on the pin under bridge ball....with the same layout I had a Fear Factor (this was well over a year ago) the Fear Factor did not roll as quickly and did not have near the backend that this ball has. If this does not help, just call me----maybe I can explain it better on the phone.
To heck with a phone call sir, post videos!
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Post by: tenpinspro on January 21, 2005, 12:23:48 PM
For Carl, when he tried to hit the ball a little stronger, it didn't just rev up and take off.
For me, it's when I killed the ball and didn't hit up on it. The reaction of the ball (for both of us) was still similar to our normal lift shot. What's this mean? Margin of error....this ball still cleared, grabbed in the mids and turned over on the backend with good hitting power. This reaction came from our similar layouts of pin over ring and mb right of thumb some. I just thought this reaction to be very interesting...it's like it has a mind of its own. Wouldn't it be great if a ball reacted the same regardless of human error?
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 21, 2005, 12:44:54 PM
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Post by: icetink on January 21, 2005, 02:58:11 PM
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-Dino
Post by: fishnic on January 21, 2005, 03:16:09 PM
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Nick Anderley
if your throwing bad, throw bad with a different ball
Post by: bowler257628 on January 21, 2005, 06:25:42 PM
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Rick forgot to mention this was with my 15lb ball and his 8lb ball.....same thing.....almost ignored human error.
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Youngstown Ohio
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8lb? dont you mean 6lb?
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Post by: fabes on January 21, 2005, 07:08:47 PM
Sorry, I do not usually gush over a ball I have only thrown a few times, but I was extremely impressed with the ball. I would buy one in a heartbeat.
fabes
Post by: stanski on January 21, 2005, 07:32:25 PM
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stanski
Post by: icetink on January 21, 2005, 09:38:19 PM
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Wow, that must be one hell of a ball, can they make a stronger ball now please?
It has a hook rating of 42!! ....huh?....wow? If another 'stronger' ball is made, I don know if it would be of much use because it's not very often people come across a river of oil.
How much more hook and technology can they pack into a ball!??!? Don't you just feel like you're cheating when you use a ball that hooks twice as much and carries so much better than everyone else's balls?
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-Dino
Post by: sammy the sage on January 21, 2005, 10:29:58 PM
Post by: stanski on January 21, 2005, 11:20:40 PM
quote:quote:
Wow, that must be one hell of a ball, can they make a stronger ball now please?
It has a hook rating of 42!! ....huh?....wow? If another 'stronger' ball is made, I don know if it would be of much use because it's not very often people come across a river of oil.
How much more hook and technology can they pack into a ball!??!? Don't you just feel like you're cheating when you use a ball that hooks twice as much and carries so much better than everyone else's balls?
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-Dino
I was being a little bit sarcastic icetink. I rarely have a chance to use my phenom, pin over ring mb next to thumb, polished, so I would have no use for a ball that is any stronger.
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stanski
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 22, 2005, 12:08:04 AM
It is really something to see a ball move this much. I cannot imagine a ball hooking more.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: stanski on January 22, 2005, 12:15:40 AM
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stanski, it is advancing technology and giving most bowlers what they want. Majority of the bowlers that come into my shop want hook....the GP2 is it.
It is really something to see a ball move this much. I cannot imagine a ball hooking more.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Yep, I understand. The only balls I ever see in my proshop being drilled are animals, throttles, ultimate's, etc. etc. Give the masses what they want!
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stanski
Post by: recognize_talent on January 22, 2005, 01:02:43 AM
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"Strikes show them you know the game. Spares show them you can play the game."
When you bowl a 300, then you have a little sense of what it is like to be Jesus Christ.
A wise man knows when he is beat, it's time you RECOGNIZE Talent!!!
Post by: clintdaley on January 22, 2005, 10:24:29 AM
However, that is not what the general bowling public wants or demands. When the Tour Power came out a little over 3 years ago, at my distributors trade show, Storm had it billed basically as the next V2, yada, yada , yada. But, when the ball got into the pro shops, nobody wanted it. WHY? It was not a hook monster. The shop I was working in at that time probably sold 5 or 6 total, and 3 were to employees of the pro shop. The ball worked great, but someone coming in off the street who buys one or two balls a year is not going to spend X amount of dollars when for another 20-30 that can have the latest and greatest hooking machine. If Storm was still trying to promote that ball and held up the XFactors, they would be hurting today. Its all about marketing and whos stuff hooks the most. The ball companies, and pro shops too, are out to make a profit, not trying to profit on "what would be best for a small amount of bowlers".
With that said, from being on Track's Advisory staff, I have learned a few things, the most important being that every ball Track comes out with has a purpose and a place in their line. Track tries to fill everything possibly needed for any and every bowler. While some may choose the GP2 over a Freak A Zoid for the sole reason it hooks more, does not make the FAZ a bad ball, or any ball for that matter. Its all about what the customer wants, and right now they want HOOK!
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Post by: smash9 on January 23, 2005, 12:46:30 AM
(or more probably, I'd be on the couch fast asleep with the three Rule GP2's!!!!!)...lol
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Post by: tenpinspro on January 23, 2005, 11:11:03 AM
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(or more probably, I'd be on the couch fast asleep with the three Rule GP2's!!!!!)...lol
Hey Smash, who said he wasn't?..
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 25, 2005, 11:23:47 PM
I am a big guy, remember? I do not have nearly the extra room in my bed as you do bud. HOWEVER.......you are correct. If you are going to keep them in bed with you....make sure you position them correctly because if not they can leave your back really sore.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: icetink on January 26, 2005, 05:33:08 AM
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This ball is for beginner bowlers and not advanced bowlers. I could never use a ball that has that much hook. I would rather see a control ball. This ball for would be a waste of money. Whats next, a ball with a hook rating of 50? I love a lot of the track balls I've thrown but this ball is stupid. The amount of hook isn't what makes you a good bowler. I'm sorry guys but I think track fell down on this ball. It kinda makes me laugh at what a stupid ball this is.
People want hook. Also, the GP2 was likely created to complete the "Rev-Lever" line. Now you have the GP2 for heavy stuff (which can replace the Animal), the Rule for Med/heavy, and the Xception for Medium oil.
It won't be a waste of money for a person who doesn't have a very good oil-handling ball 'yet'. I agree that amount of hook doesn't make a good bowler, but often, amount of hook translates to better continuation through the pins which helps with pin carry. I believe the GP2, Rule, and Xception are a great 1, 2, 3 punch!
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-Dino
Post by: clintdaley on January 26, 2005, 07:53:59 AM
Have you tried a GP2 for yourself yet?
If not, how could you say stupid?
If you have, why do you say this?
Clint
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Lets Go Bowling Daley
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Post by: BackToBasics on January 26, 2005, 08:57:58 AM
Are you a tweener that needs help on heavier patterns? 600 grit GP2 with MB on VAL.
Are you a high rev/hig speed player that wants to just open them up as much as possible? 1000 Grit GP2 with MB in the strong position.
Are you a high rev player that wants the power of the Morpheus core with a little more midlane and control on med patterns? Polished GP2 with MB in the track.
The GP2, Rule and Xception are 3 high performance assymetrical balls that give all players options on how to attack a variety of lanes when a strong transition at the break is required. If you want or need more control, then you can choose between the FAZ or Slash. All of these provide a great diversity in reaction shape and hook potential.
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Post by: icetink on January 26, 2005, 09:33:43 AM
If there are absolute floods or if lane centres decide to lay down a lot of oil on a regular basis, I don't see why a hook rating of 50 would be useless....
For everyone else who LIKES to open up the lane on heavy oil or NEEDS a strong heavy oil ball for any reason, I believe the GP2 would be a great choice! Everyone has their own opinion and own needs, and as achappy said, the Morpheus cores/balls are very versatile in regards to drilling and coverstock preparation.
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-Dino
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on January 26, 2005, 09:09:58 PM
TRUST ME when I say that this ball is not just for someone with no hand. The morpheous core is so versatile that it can be drilled to what you want it to. The coverstock can be easily adjusted to get the reaction you want. Bowlers with hand can still use this ball if it is drilled properly for their kind of game. <<<<ask achappy
Another thought...advanced bowlers would be able to handle this ball because they will know what kind of adjustments are going to be needed in order for them to use this ball.
Lastly: The GP2 is for many different style of bowlers, whether a once a week bowler or a tournament bowler. For me...the GP2 is going to be primarily a tournament ball (especially the ones I have drilled aggressively). I do not need this much hook on league shots. There are bowlers that do need the ball to help more though.....AND NO BALL HELPS A BOWLER AS MUCH AS THIS BALL DOES.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: clintdaley on January 27, 2005, 06:43:29 AM
Clint
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Lets Go Bowling Daley
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TRACK ADVISORY PRO SHOP STAFF
Post by: tenpinspro on January 27, 2005, 11:34:16 AM
For your particular case, I can understand what "you" mean but to be a little more open minded that it literally is different strokes for different folks. For what you're saying about the GP2, it could have been easily said to you about the Animal by someone else with more hand.
I hit a mini in Vegas a few years ago and I could guarantee you that your Animal would not have made it back from the 5 board. Not even the true crankers could, you had to be deep in with a ton of revs just to bring it back or have some kind of recovery.
The GP2 is stronger but as achappy states, we can do so much with the covers and layouts that it makes it very versatile.
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