Author Topic: Is this the answer? (Read 6905 times)

Grayson · « **on:** August 04, 2008, 07:15:25 AM »

Hi!

I am looking for a ball .... looking for a ball to compliment my Machine towards oilier patterns.

Now you must know that for me my Machine is the ideal ball for anything... but works best on meds. When it gets oily it skids... when it gets dry it burns up. Makes sense.

Now I am searching for a ball with the same potential reaction shape as the Machine but with a stronger overall hook.

Now my search has come to this results:
Mean Machine? Not really sure about this
Robo Rule - This seems to be THE answer ... same core stronger coverstock
Rising... mhhh... no clue about the ball... completely new concept
Uprising... well the same as the Rising

I am asking this question here as I am eager to stick with Track.... the Machine has been such a good ball for me .

the C+ from LAne#1 is working as it seems ... still am searching.

My other "options" or choices from other companies are
Terminator
Ogre particle

I am not really sure... Tell me what ball from Track has more bite overall with the same reaction shape as the Machine?
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2008, 04:30:31 PM »

What is the infatuation with buying old equipment to fill a hole in an aresenal. Have you tried the new balls? They are quite impressive and I bet can fit what you are looking for!
For heavier volumes of oil with a strong backend I would probably go with either the Rising or Uprising with a touch of the shine knocked off it.
Both are excellent choices. The Rising is a little earlier and a little smoother than the Uprising.
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Grayson · « **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2008, 04:35:26 PM »

well.. you know people... they tend to stick with what they know... and I am not different.

And the Risings offer a complete new concept of core tech... etc.

and from BTM the Rising is not much stronger than the Machine OOB... so I am asking for oppinions.

On the other hand with the Mean MAchien and the Robo Rule get a core I know... with coverstocks that are stronger as asked...

Just asking for oppinions .
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freak761 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 04, 2008, 04:56:18 PM »

I had two Robos and and it was an awesome ball, very strong for the heavier stuff. If you like the Machine, you'll like the Robo. I had a lot of success with the Mean Machine but it was more of a medium type ball for me. I cannot speak for the newer stuff, but since the Robo was a light load particle, I would think it would handle a little more oil. I have seen one Rising and one UpRising thrown, wasn't impressed with the Rising but the UpRising is very impressive and looks like a helluva ball. I haven't seen it thrown dull, just OOB. Just my 2 cents...

ccrider · « **Reply #4 on:** August 04, 2008, 05:02:03 PM »

I have the machine, mean machine,power machine, and strike machine. I also have the kinetic, temper and rising.

For medium heavy to heavy oil, I would go with the mean machine. It is underrated and takes well to cover adjustments. We have a pretty much flat USBC no tap shot, out of bounds outside of 7, but playable just barely playing down and in at 15. I played both the rising and mean machine yesterday on the shot. I took the mean machine down to 500 abralon and then hit it with bean's sauce. I tried something different with the rising, took it to 220 and then hit it with rough buff, by my guess, bringing it to about 1500.

I was pleased with both balls, but as usual, the mean machine is so much more predictable. Hits hard, carries well, even when you slow the shot down to 12-13 mph quibica. With the Rising, I had to stay firm but not too fast and did not have any room to miss.

You can take the mean machine up to 1000 or 2000 abralon and use track cleen and sheen or 3m finesse, both non abrasives, and get different looks to the pocket. Just my two cents worth, based on actual experience.
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c_new · « **Reply #5 on:** August 04, 2008, 05:13:04 PM »

The Up-Rising is an Excellent choice. I would definatly use abralon and knowck of the Factory finish polish. I understand the want to sick with what you know, however, changing the core may give you the angle you need to carry. Having alot of hook is always nice but not always needed. You may want more hook but actually need just a slightly different roll.

I hope this helps you out! Good Luck!

LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 04, 2008, 05:30:19 PM »

I had a Robo Rule, and being that you are wanting a ball that somewhat reacts similar yet is stronger overall, i don't think you could beat getting the Robo.

I had a weak drill on mine which was pin above ring, which puts it right around 5.5 p2p and MB like right below thumb, and that ball was still really strong. it hooked as much as my big bang which is drilled quite abit stronger, the carry was also really impressive.

Being that you will be able to get one of these for a really good price, I think you would be making a mistake atleast not trying it.
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Grayson · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2008, 01:13:17 AM »

Thanks folks!

and btw - I have found that the rating the producer and even "independend" users give are not always "reliable"... ok wrong term... not always "transferable".

The MAchine is rated as medium-oily ball and truly is a med ball. When I dulled it it was a nice smooth arcing oiler. Now with a more shiny coverstock it is a monster on meds. OOB it was a jerk

Style also plays a big role. That's why I want to have YOUR oppinions.
Why am I rather going with the older stuff?

A: you played it - you know it - you can tell me what you found and how you rate it
B: Don't like Ebonite much.. I have a big problem with that though the new Track stuff seems nice and working. I know that my Machine does - I know the core - I just need more bite on oil without sacrificing that reliable reaction and without taking much risk. And that risk is there for me with the new balls.

A member of my old club plays a Kinetic with tremendous success. Yet I want to have a ball as close to the Machine as the Robo Rule or MM.

C: I always need to save up money first. I have already bought one new ball that year so my budged is already "empty" but I will have a new job in Oktober and so I am planning already

My possibilities so far are

Uprising - dropped that one. Too close to my MAchine I guess though very promising ball

Rising - not sure - truly an option but really not conviced (hit me: don't like the color

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Mean Machine - maybe... maybe not.
I found that when I took the shine off my Machine it worked nice on the more oily... so with the additional hooking power of the Meany it might work out. But why get a balÃ¶l and adjust it when another ball will do tha work right away?

Robo Rule - #1 atm

Another Machine with stronbger layout and coverstock adjustment: There is one at a reasonable sale price here at an online shop - yet I want rather a real oiler like the ROBO or MM

Again Thanks for your advices. Will see how much BowlersDream charges for shipping and consider a ROBO cause the price is really good! But shipping is a pain for me... so the really nice price is ruined by the shipping...

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hjk246 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2008, 03:52:55 AM »

i had a mean machine and that ball was a beast.the only thing i did not like about it was that it died quick.I take very good care of my equipment and within 30-40 games she was put to sleep.i currently have a kinetic energy and that ball is fantastic.It goes a bit longer than the mean machine but has a beautiful hook to it that is controlled and smooth.best of luck to whatever you purchase.

Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2008, 04:35:40 AM »

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I have the machine, mean machine,power machine, and strike machine. I also have the kinetic, temper and rising.

For medium heavy to heavy oil, I would go with the mean machine. It is underrated and takes well to cover adjustments. We have a pretty much flat USBC no tap shot, out of bounds outside of 7, but playable just barely playing down and in at 15. I played both the rising and mean machine yesterday on the shot. I took the mean machine down to 500 abralon and then hit it with bean's sauce. I tried something different with the rising, took it to 220 and then hit it with rough buff, by my guess, bringing it to about 1500.

I was pleased with both balls, but as usual, the mean machine is so much more predictable. Hits hard, carries well, even when you slow the shot down to 12-13 mph quibica. With the Rising, I had to stay firm but not too fast and did not have any room to miss.

You can take the mean machine up to 1000 or 2000 abralon and use track cleen and sheen or 3m finesse, both non abrasives, and get different looks to the pocket. Just my two cents worth, based on actual experience.
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First I just want to say that Clean n Sheen is abrasive and 3M Finess it is on the USBC list of having an abrasive. Clean N Sheen has a grit to it, that will change the cover.

Now when it comes to the equipment you are talking about. I have had all the them and the Rising out hooks them all. The Rising out of box is 4000, the Machine is 1000 compound and that means it comes OOB sanded to 320 and then hit with Clean N Sheen. This is gives you a polished 1000 grit surface and reaction out of box. The Rising when sanded will grab harder then a Robo Rule. I loved the robo rule but the Rising out hooks it by at least 4 boards in every part of the lane.
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iamone78 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:37:38 AM »

For my oiler I went with a GP2 and honestly it doesn't get very much use. In the last year the only shot I have found that I was able to play with it was a 45ft flat pattern. That was only for 12 games. Other than that, it sits ready to go. I don't see enough oil out there to have to use it. This ball is silly strong. The same goes for my meany less than 12 games on it in the past year.

there is a 15lb GP2 for trade in the Track Forsale forum:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp
TopicID=201055&ForumID=108&CategoryID=12

This is my pick for a heavy oil ball. I think you could also dull up a meany and use it on a heavier pattern as well. It wouldn't take long to open up your line a bit and then drop down to your machine or a pearl.

Definitely some versatile equipment to choose from out there. I am sure you won't be disappointed with what you decide to go with.

six pack · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:50:41 AM »

for me the robo was stronger and smoother then the rising or mean machine.the mean was stronger then the machine but had more length and backend then the robo.if I had to compare the mean it would be close to the riseing but the riseing was more dynamic and the cover was easier to change with results.if you want a heavy oil ball with the robo core then my pick would be the robo.now another ball I liked even more for heavier oil out of all of them is the phenom.if you can find one it's worth the hunt.
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On Fire · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:15:56 AM »

The Mean Machine is a great ball to have on the medium to med/heavy conditions and that ball will move! It was probably one of my strongest hooking balls the past year, actually liked it better than the Resurgence. It take coverstock changes very well and even with 800-1000 grit dull you can use it on the heavy oil with a firm speed. The only reason I'm selling mine is because the drilling I have on the second one I got is abit too strong for me.

I've also thrown the Robo Rule a few times and it's a smooth ball that's not too aggressive off the dry (probably because the MB was placed near the track area).

If all else fails, look into the Kinetic Energy since I might get that to replace my MM. There's alot of good reviews about that ball.

So, if you decide to go with a Mean Machine I do have a used one for sale if you're interested.
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=204102&ForumID=26&CategoryID=12

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Grayson · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:57:03 AM »

hard decisions...

I took a look at that offer already but the pin position is too far away from that of my Machine and I'd like to have the same layout on both balls.

Combine the longer layout and smoother transision with a stronger coverstock and I bet I might end up with what my C+ is already giving me.

Now I am completely off... I mean the Mean is getting interesting again.

On the other hand my C+ is smooth and working.

Need to figure that out... maybe its the hot weather with the high amount of humidity making the oil slick and in winter it will work out again... dunno... that's the problem...

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I dulled the C+ (which is just a tad stronger as the MAchine with the OOB surface) and the C+ is working but smooth to the max (with a label like drill!). I am looking for a stronger ball with the (almost) same rolling characterisitcs as the Machine.
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It is hard to decide... the Robo could be too much... the Mean not enough. But with the same coverstock the Mean is getting more interesting... hard to decide... really hard.

Well the Robo is a soaker, too I bet... but I give my stuff the hot water bath procedure regularly to avoid the oil death. Works out.

Let's see what winter brings and then I can decide.

I found a Robo on the German market... if it is a 15 I need to find out.
and there is a Machine also considerable. No more Mean Machines. They were sold very fast here.

So far I am still more likely sticking with the Robo Core. Works with my Machine so why change and take a risk.

Again.. thanks for your oppinions.

And you are right... the Uprising will get more aggressive when changed... it is an option. But as I wrote... Robo Core vs Megatron + new coverstock ? ? ? not really a question
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Grayson · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2008, 12:49:35 AM »

ok. I made it halfway down the road..

its either the Robo or the Meany... but I am not sure.

Ratings are very close just that the Robo seems a tad stronger and the meany a tad longer

so the question is. Will there be a real difference between a Mean Machine and a Robo Rule?

I know nothing about them... I only go by the numbers BTM gives me... how trustworthy is that?

So what ball is better for med-oil? what for real oil
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