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Title: Is Track truly back?
Post by: FastTracker33 on July 10, 2008, 04:04:20 AM
The subject says it all right here. What i've been noticing is that more and more people are coming back to Track again. Ever since the Ebonite buyout, we've lost a lot of Track exclusive bowlers, but after all the new, great releases Track has come out with, the Legion is definitely back. I for one, am one of the people who thought Track would be junk with Ebonite pouring their equipment from now on. As everyone knows, I purchased a Rising recently. It is such a great ball (if I can actually control it lol), and the ball showed me that Track is just as good as ever. If Track made some more weaker, pearl pieces, for much lighter oil conditions, i'd be all Track right now. In the mean time, i'll be sticking with my Rising, purchasing a Tantrum soon, and buying an Emerald Vibe for lighter conditions. In the long run, i'll be purchasing a Kinetic Pearl to have as a stronger pearl piece.

What do you guys think? Is Track really "BACK"? Is there others that are seeing what I see on the Track forums lately?

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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 10, 2008, 01:39:15 PM
I do not feel we were ever gone. Some folks thought they needed to look elsewhere last season for a few reasons, but after seeing the incredible ball motion that our equipment has I think people are coming back because they notice one thing that has always been a staple for Track: We offer up the best performance equipment a bowling ball company can put out.

-Carl
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Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: SVstar34 on July 10, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
Track is truly back, so is AMF
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: Brickguy221 on July 10, 2008, 03:19:56 PM
I think Track is back and I think they may have as good or better product than they did before, but I haven't been able to convince myself yet to try Track again because there isn't many Track balls thrown in my area for me to judge how well they perform. I've mentioned a couple Track balls to my driller a few times and he just stands there and looks at me and says nothing. Probably because he is more into Ebonite than Track with a bit of Hammer thrown in plus a few Storm balls.
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: six pack on July 10, 2008, 05:30:04 PM
well I used to match up before the take over,now I moved on since owning that pink/purple nightmare.I have'nt been tempted to try another,I don't care for the Ebo covers and my pro shop gives off the same general impression even though he dose'nt come out and say it.
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: htownstaff on July 11, 2008, 12:04:42 PM
quote:
What do you guys think? Is Track really "BACK"?  


We never left, bud.  In fact...we're better than we've ever been.  The Ebonite transaction has blessed us with great reaction shapes.  The greatest thing about it...it's all been done with single density cores...not the "Lego" cores that were produced in TX.
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: freak761 on July 11, 2008, 01:44:44 PM
Brian, I understand that as a staffer you want and need to promote the "new" Track and I understand a lot of the frustrations of the Ebonite people over the "ball death" and "I hate ebonite covers" stigma. Please promote the "new" Track and don't bash the "old" Track. I loved those "Lego" cores and still do, especially the Robo Rule and Freak. Not dissing or picking on you, but we need to get rid of all this negativity on things we can't control and get back to having fun doing what we should be doing, discussing the new equipment, and how to get the most out of them. The Uprising, Tantrum and Kinetic Pearl all look like great pieces and I'm leaning towards the Tantrum as my first purchase of the "new" Track lineup. Del, Phil, Columbia and Texas are all in the past and it's time to move on. Right, Carl!!
Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 11, 2008, 03:52:54 PM
quote:
Brian, I understand that as a staffer you want and need to promote the "new" Track and I understand a lot of the frustrations of the Ebonite people over the "ball death" and "I hate ebonite covers" stigma. Please promote the "new" Track and don't bash the "old" Track. I loved those "Lego" cores and still do, especially the Robo Rule and Freak. Not dissing or picking on you, but we need to get rid of all this negativity on things we can't control and get back to having fun doing what we should be doing, discussing the new equipment, and how to get the most out of them. The Uprising, Tantrum and Kinetic Pearl all look like great pieces and I'm leaning towards the Tantrum as my first purchase of the "new" Track lineup. Del, Phil, Columbia and Texas are all in the past and it's time to move on. Right, Carl!!


We dont want to move on completly. We still need to look to our past to help give us understandment of things that happen so we dont repeat them. One of the problem with the 'Lego' cores was the extreamly high failure rate with production. This is something that ebonite and many companys have keyed in on. This is why many companys are going solid single peace cores. The other thing is that we want to remember those days because they give us the information as to why Track was the company that we loved. Track was the core inovative companys and the understanding of that is what help the MegaTron core to be made. Some things do need to be left alone however. I wont say what they were but they do, because not everything was a good thing.
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 11, 2008, 05:38:13 PM
quote:
Brian, I understand that as a staffer you want and need to promote the "new" Track and I understand a lot of the frustrations of the Ebonite people over the "ball death" and "I hate ebonite covers" stigma. Please promote the "new" Track and don't bash the "old" Track. I loved those "Lego" cores and still do, especially the Robo Rule and Freak. Not dissing or picking on you, but we need to get rid of all this negativity on things we can't control and get back to having fun doing what we should be doing, discussing the new equipment, and how to get the most out of them. The Uprising, Tantrum and Kinetic Pearl all look like great pieces and I'm leaning towards the Tantrum as my first purchase of the "new" Track lineup. Del, Phil, Columbia and Texas are all in the past and it's time to move on. Right, Carl!!  


How did I get brought into this?
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Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: freak761 on July 12, 2008, 01:49:14 AM
Sorry, Carl, didn't mean to bring you into this. Just thought that everyone needs to get away from all the negativity from the buyout and focus on the new equipment, etc., guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: htownstaff on July 12, 2008, 10:00:40 AM
I'm sorry...I missed the old Track bashing in my post.  I merely stated two facts relating to cores.  1) New Track = Single density cores  2) Old Track = Lego or Multi-density cores.

Now...on with my post.
Many of the TX cores were great and worked out very well for me.  I thought the Robo Core was the best core I'd thrown to date when it came out.  The statement was not intended to bash the old Track.  The lego cores were a bit of a quality issue when it came to production.  Poor quality in the production process is a loss of funds.  This can endanger the future of any company.

I personally feel...staff or not...that Track now has a brighter future and a higher quality product.
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Track Amateur Staff
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: oprahsdouche on July 12, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
Not to start a fire but i would love to hear what you guys thought the major production failure was with the so called "lego" cores.  Sometimes its easier to say that something was bad or a failure instead admitting the truth.  I have always heard Ebonite can only make single density cores.  In todays marketing world i hope this isnt a spin on the truth to make us bowlers think that old products were inferior when in reality its because they just cant be reproduced.  You guys are in the know more than I, im just trying to learn something.
Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 12, 2008, 02:19:12 PM
WOW did this thread get hijacked in a major way.

OK...here is the situation. A company can produce what they want to produce. Ebonite feels that single density is whats best to produce. There are FAR fewer quality control issues out of Hoptown than there were out of San Antonio.

Any one remember the Bonanzas that were created out of the old plant? Those balls were simply balls that did not pass QC. It is just a fact that when you piece things together and they are glued that there will be some production issues. How can someone tell if the flip block or even MB pieces shifted or didn't while the ball was curing?

The old equipment was not bad, I do not believe that is what is being said here. I had very good success with alot of the equipment from back then, as did many other bowlers.

freak,

You are correct.....we cannot promote the new brand by bashing the old brand. If those balls were bad then I do not believe any of us would have continued throwing Track. The way I see it is very simple: staff member or not, I want the best equipment in my hands when I am bowling, so if I did not think that they were great I wouldn't have been throwing those balls.

-Carl
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

Track Bowling Tech Advisor
churd@trackbowling.com

The Legion Lives @ www.trackbowling.com


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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: charlest on July 12, 2008, 11:27:51 PM
quote:
See Carl? That was a very sexy statement! You rock, you sexy man you!
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Give it up, John. Ohio is too far from Kansas for Carl to commute. Long distance relationships never work out.
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 13, 2008, 09:25:34 AM
So six has a man crush on me?
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with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: pnj1967 on July 13, 2008, 09:28:15 AM
That's Johnny !!!!!!!!!!  


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So six has a man crush on me?
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Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
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Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

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The Legion Lives @ www.trackbowling.com


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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: charlest on July 13, 2008, 09:36:23 AM
quote:
So six has a man crush on me?
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
with locations in:
Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
and
Boardman Ohio (Camelot Lanes)

Track Bowling Tech Advisor
churd@trackbowling.com

The Legion Lives @ www.trackbowling.com


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We all do, Carl. Some of us just hide it better than others ....
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: Brickguy221 on July 13, 2008, 12:30:44 PM
quote:
I am in the dreaded Sooners/Cowboys territory. A step up, but not much!
 


John, you need to look at the bright side and feel blessed as that is much better than being in the Hurricane territory.
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: six pack on July 13, 2008, 03:10:43 PM
I don't think cores are an issue with any ball co.as a matter of fact I loved most of the Hammer cores and the one's Track has look very good!but is'nt the ball reaction something like 25% core?I want to say more but I've read 10% core so I'll give you the extra 15%.

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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: trackenny on July 13, 2008, 06:24:03 PM
Is Track back??  Excellent question.  Here's the answer, YES!!!  Mitch Beasley was willing to put his career on the line being the only person on tour to use Track equipment.  Look at the guys that lost their exemption and had alot of balls to choose from.  He kept his job with basically 2 balls.  He made 4 round of 8's.  I am willing to bet that Mitch makes 3 shows this upcoming year. Any takers???
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: REVerse on July 13, 2008, 08:37:53 PM
Ask Wes Mallot....
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: Brickguy221 on July 13, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
quote:
I beg to differ....especially during the championship game! lol
 


John, "ya gotta give up on living in the past". Things are different today...lol
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: wasted talent on July 14, 2008, 01:12:11 AM
Single density cores are simply cheaper to produce than multiple piece cores. Maybe the old Columbia plant had production problems or maybe they had a much higher standard when it came to a first quality ball versus a second. I don't remember having to be so specific when ordering a certain weight from my distributors with the old stuff as I do now. You just can't ask for a 15lb ball anymore. I see a lot more mid-weight balls these days and quite a few with nicks and dings.
Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 14, 2008, 01:32:27 AM
quote:
quote:
I am in the dreaded Sooners/Cowboys territory. A step up, but not much!
 


John, you need to look at the bright side and feel blessed as that is much better than being in the Hurricane territory.
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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick


LOL I love this one, mostly because Carl is a Miami fan. LOL.
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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: ErikC on July 14, 2008, 06:59:12 AM
Hey Six, some of us in Jayhawk/Wildcat territory dont mind it up here.  Not a fan of either, but it is better than sooner territory

Also you should have seen Carl in Vegas in his UpRising shirt and working away on marking the balls, he looked pretty sexy then too.  Of course they just had 15 lbs, no 16's, but oh well.

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Title: Re: Is Track truly back?
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 14, 2008, 10:51:26 PM
The Kinetic Energy and Rising says it is...
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