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dewatkins

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Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« on: March 31, 2008, 04:15:02 AM »
I bought an Equation2 at the beginning of the season and had it drilled up and it fits like a glove and is easy to throw but... I can not score with it consistently.  The ball just does not seem to hit hard and leaves all kinds of garbage any back row is common 7-10's at least one in a set a couple of weeks ago I left 2 7-10 back to back.  I just do not know what is wrong with the ball last night I started off with to 168's not good on a 186 average I was not throwing the ball bad just not carrying, it seems like I am always chasing the line and never getting it. Then I got out my old Aggressive Artillery for the third game and started out with the first 8 before I slowed the ball speed down and came heavy heaving a big split.  Both balls break the same and I can shoot the same lines with both.  
My question is if I was to put a weight hole in the Equation2 could it make it better?  If so where would I put it the CG is in my palm and the weight mark is above my index finger.  I do not throw fast 13-14 MPH but I do seem to get a lot of side lift as I line up just inside the left channel and depending on lane conditions hit about 12 to 15 they go out to about the 10 board and arc back strong.  It seems like to me I am coming in behind the headpin with the Equation2 because I leave so many 7-10's it is nothing for me to hit solid and blow 9 pins in the pit leaving a solid 8 pin.  
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NJStroker

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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2008, 02:39:05 PM »
leave the eq2 the way it is and save it for the drier stuff where its made for. It sounds like your bowling on too much oil for the eq2 and thats why the artillery was a good choice for it.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.
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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2008, 04:34:07 PM »
dewatkins... Can you tell me a fews things?

1. How is the ball mapped out pin to PAP Distance and CG to PAP.

2. What type of lanes surface are you bowling on?

3. What is the surface prep of your Eq2

4. How would characterize your game, Stroker, Tweener or Cranker.

5. Also are you a spinner or do come more up the back of the ball.
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dewatkins

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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2008, 06:18:55 PM »
First thank you for your reply.  I love Track balls they are the only ball I have thrown for years I have had the Hex, Revmaster, Hexplosion, a couple more that I can not remember and currently Agressive Artillary and now the Equation2 which I throw the same line but the Artillary carries so much better.

1. How is the ball mapped out pin to PAP Distance and CG to PAP.
Pin that is the circle right, is 3/4" right of index finger lined up with bottom of the finger holes.  The CG is centered between the thumb and index about 3/8 right of the line between them.  I told my driller that I wanted it 5 or 6 drilling and he said something about those are generic I know how to lay it out.

2. What type of lanes surface are you bowling on?
Synthic with a good shot setup usually drier out side of the 10 board so I try to keep it inside of 10.  When I throw outside my mark my balls seem to always make it back I think that has a lot to do with having more lift not sure.

3. What is the surface prep of your Eq2
OOB

4. How would characterize your game, Stroker, Tweener or Cranker.
I guess a tweener I have been trying to figure it out I have a high back swing at least that is what people tell me probably about head height but I walk slow and ball speed is in the 13-14 second range. At 60 I don't think I can crank it if I wanted to.

5. Also are you a spinner or do come more up the back of the ball.
I come out of the side, I do not spin it like a top but does have a lot of side rotation I think that is why I hook so much.  My hand is definatly on the side of the ball at release.  I can flatten out my ball by keeping my hand under it, but I lose action on any ball I do that with.
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NJStroker

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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 09:35:25 PM »
i would try and get that ball outside of 10. Its not more lift, its just drier.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.
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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2008, 06:40:17 AM »
First of all, if you're not honest with yourself, you cannot analyze your balls' behavior.

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I bought an Equation2 ... The ball just does not seem to hit hard and


All balls will hit "hard enough", if you use them on the right lane condition, for your release and the ball's basic design, its drilling and surface
preparation.

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leaves all kinds of garbage any back row is common 7-10's at least one in a set a couple of weeks ago I left 2 7-10 back to back.


Again, you're making it sound like it's the ball's fault. In the 99.99999% of  cases, it's the bowler's fault, not the ball's.

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 I just do not know what is wrong with the ball last night


OK, time to stop blaming the ball.

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I started off with to 168's not good on a 186 average I was not throwing the ball bad just not carrying, it seems like I am always chasing the line and never getting it. Then I got out my old Aggressive Artillery for the third game and started out with the first 8 before I slowed the ball speed down and came heavy heaving a big split.  Both balls break the same and I can shoot the same lines with both.  


There's your answer. The Aggressive Artillery is, by design, that is, by its very nature, much more aggressive than the Equation 2. The AA is meant to handle medium to medium-hevay oil, for the average bowler. The EQ2 is for light to medium-light oil patterns.

Keep in mind a very basic tenet of league bowling: the "house shot" oil pattern has the capability to hide the differences between bowling balls. It cam make strong ones react like weaker one and vice versa. Still if the AA is working, as well as you just described, and given the basic differences between these 2 balls, why would expect the EQ2 to work on the same oil pattern? Just because you want it to.

Next time to see lots of the back row peeking back at you after your first ball, that is normally a very good sign that either you are playing the wrong line or you are using the wrong ball. Change something quickly.

There is nothing wrong with the EQ2; don't do anything to it. Just save it for drier lanes. Use the AA when it gets you the results you want. Learn the differences in your balls.

Good luck.
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dewatkins

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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2008, 09:53:48 AM »
Don't get me wrong I do not blame the ball, any ball is only as good as the person throwing it, it is just that I can not figure out a line to use this ball on. I beleive that a good bowler can use just about any ball as long as it fits and be able to figure out a line that it will work on, that may be old school but that is the way I am. I only carry the two balls along with my spare ball I also don't care how the lanes are you should be able to figure out a line to use.

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Keep in mind a very basic tenet of league bowling: the "house shot" oil pattern has the capability to hide the differences between bowling balls. It cam make strong ones react like weaker one and vice versa.
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I think this is what I am running into I just can not tell the differences on THS.  The only thing is the E2 looks so good going to the pocket but I have not found the line to use with it yet.  

I have tried standing center and throwing down and in standing left and swinging the ball and every where in between, I just have not found a line that carries with it for my style.  I got it to use when the AA was starting to go over/under but I still can not make the E2 work for me when the lanes start drying out or the oil starts carrying down.  I had one other Track ball I think the RevMaster that I did not like at first until I got 40-50 games on it then it started working for me I hope that is what happens with this ball and I will finally find a line to use with it.

I like the E2 because it fits sooo good and is a little lighter and the AA does not, I have to put 4-5 pieces of tape in the AA and tape on my thumb to keep from bending my thumb in the ball a big no no, I know I just need to fix the AA and leave the E2 alone.

PS does anyone know why I get this error when trying to spell check:

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Dan Belcher

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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 10:00:53 AM »
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I beleive that a good bowler can use just about any ball as long as it fits and be able to figure out a line that it will work on, that may be old school but that is the way I am. I only carry the two balls along with my spare ball I also don't care how the lanes are you should be able to figure out a line to use.
That is a very old school approach, yes.  It's how I used to feel, until I bowled in a PBA Experience league.  I then realized that you can't force equipment to work on lanes it's not meant for.  All the adjustments in the world with your target, speed, rotation, etc. cannot make up for a poor ball choice.  You may be able to get to the pocket, but you sure as heck won't be able to carry.  If the lanes dry out, I cannot throw my Special Agent.  I can get it to the pocket, yes.  But it's going to use up too much energy early and puke and leave corner pins.  If the lanes are oily, I cannot use my Total NV.  It is going to slide too long and come in too late and leave weak 10 pins.  That's why I have more than one ball.  I can play the lanes how they are meant to be played.
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dewatkins

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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »
[/quote][/quote]That is a very old school approach, yes.  It's how I used to feel, until I bowled in a PBA Experience league.  I then realized that you can't force equipment to work on lanes it's not meant for.  All the adjustments in the world with your target, speed, rotation, etc. cannot make up for a poor ball choice.  You may be able to get to the pocket, but you sure as heck won't be able to carry.  If the lanes dry out, I cannot throw my Special Agent.  I can get it to the pocket, yes.  But it's going to use up too much energy early and puke and leave corner pins.  If the lanes are oily, I cannot use my Total NV.  It is going to slide too long and come in too late and leave weak 10 pins.  That's why I have more than one ball.  I can play the lanes how they are meant to be played.[/quote]

I think you are hitting on my problem but I have no idea how to read the lanes until my ball starts coming heavy or light then I can make adjustments and I can not tell which ball I should use like you say they both get to the pocket but have different reaction and it just takes me too long to figure it out again the old school theory is getting in my way I guess, I have been bowling since the 70's and I am still not good.  I tried to get help from the pro shop but he changeed my whole approach, when I bowl his way my average is in the 160's.  I tried his way for half a seasson and gave it up as a lost cause with my average 30 pins under the year before.  So he would not teach me any more.  I try to read as much as I can in here and other places to get ideas what I am doing.  

Thanks for the help I will just have to get the AA fitting better and go with that and leave the E2 in the bag until the AA starts over reacting which is why I bought it.
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Re: Help Equation2 not reacting like I wanted
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 04:41:42 PM »
dewatkins
 On the part of lessons/help
 You have to understand most of the time you will start out bowling worst. Its because of fighting "muscle memory". You have bowled so long a certain way, now you will have to "relearn" some things & you won't even know it but you actually be trying to bowl the way ya use to. What will happen is your scores will suffer some but after awhile your game will be up & beyond of where ya was! (Now it could be just a lil while or it can take some time) proper practice will help.
Edit to add:
 A camcorder will help for the pratice to. From my own experince, what I thought I was doing & what I really did shows on film. My big problem is spinning not lifting the ball.
 I hope this helps.

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