Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 14, 2008, 06:52:56 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on July 14, 2008, 02:54:40 PM
Is this going to be a strong pearl, or mild pearl? I'm already picking up an Emerald Vibe, and i'll be drilling a Kinetic Pearl to hopefully compliment it!
Whatever type of pearl it actually is, what type of lane conditions will best suit this ball?
Thanks!
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 14, 2008, 02:54:46 PM
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Post by: dw23 on July 14, 2008, 03:42:26 PM
Since I have been basiclly been using 2 balls everywhere since we spoke a couple of weeks ago how will this ball compare to the Complete NV?
BTW, the layout on the UpRising is working out great. Really, really smooth with pop at the pins.
Thanks,
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Post by: vdinbc on July 14, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 25, 2008, 12:36:41 PM
So let me start:
FastTracker, In all of my observations (of myself and other style of bowlers using the ball), the Kinetic Pearl is a mild pearl. I have heard some say it fits between the Energy and the Kinetic.....I see it below both. Its reaction is cleaner through the lane than the original Kinetic. You will see more energy retention down lane than you see in a Kinetic Energy, but its breakpoint is nowhere near as strong as the Origincal Kinetic.
Dw23, I do not see the Pearl as a replacement for a Complete NV. The Complete NV utilizes a much stronger coverstock. I am glad the UpRising is working well for you, it was awesome finding a face to put with the name.
vdinbc, you nailed it bud. This is exactly what my observations of the Pearl show.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 25, 2008, 01:02:48 PM
You believe the K.P. to be the overall weakest in the Kinetic line. From what I've seen on my own behalf, both my Power Machines are stronger than my Kinetic. So, if I go with a high-rg, 5.5-6" pin above fingers layout on the K.P, will it still be weaker than my Power Machines?
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Post by: On Fire on July 25, 2008, 03:11:12 PM
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Post by: Billy Ray on July 27, 2008, 10:47:11 AM
Basically the pin falls in my midle finger. No Hole needed.
Will post after I throw it more on how it reacts compared to the rest of the the arsenal.
What I'm Hoping for is length and mellower read on the back compared to the rest of the arsenal. Especially on the burnt heads I frequently encounter up here in the northeast on the older wood with shorter patterns or longer patterns with lighter volume where staying out further benefits you the longer you stay right.
I if I end up with a nice ball on the burn as well that would be nice.
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Post by: louf846 on July 27, 2008, 08:14:30 PM
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Just Punched mine out 60 Degree by 5" at 60 Degree VAL.
Basically the pin falls in my midle finger. No Hole needed.
Will post after I throw it more on how it reacts compared to the rest of the the arsenal.
What I'm Hoping for is length and mellower read on the back compared to the rest of the arsenal. Especially on the burnt heads I frequently encounter up here in the northeast on the older wood with shorter patterns or longer patterns with lighter volume where staying out further benefits you the longer you stay right.
I if I end up with a nice ball on the burn as well that would be nice.
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Post by: Billy Ray on July 28, 2008, 08:24:16 AM
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Pin placement is identical to mine I did in terms of right through the middle finger. Very interested to see what you have from it. I get effortless length and great control. Very good on lower volumes and shorter patterns. The regionals don't seem to burn up anymore as bad as they used to with the new machine so don't know much about deep angles with it yet.quote:
Just Punched mine out 60 Degree by 5" at 60 Degree VAL.
Basically the pin falls in my midle finger. No Hole needed.
Will post after I throw it more on how it reacts compared to the rest of the the arsenal.
What I'm Hoping for is length and mellower read on the back compared to the rest of the arsenal. Especially on the burnt heads I frequently encounter up here in the northeast on the older wood with shorter patterns or longer patterns with lighter volume where staying out further benefits you the longer you stay right.
I if I end up with a nice ball on the burn as well that would be nice.
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I have enough stuff for deep angles i just want to be able to stay further right and compete with the guys who thumb it up 10 their entire lives and don't understand why we are playing 25 or deeper. LOL
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Post by: Billy Ray on August 01, 2008, 12:59:57 PM
1. Its not as weak as i would have hoped. (Modified house shot on Pro Anvil lane)
2. It rolls very well and provides a very nice controllable Hard arc/Flip.
3. Carry is excellent and is very versatile as the lanes break down i was able to chase the oil line left very easily.
4. Is not as sensitive to oil as some pearls can be which made chasing the oil line much more predicatble.
Our Summer House shot does not have the Great Wall and has a little hang or wiggle outside of 5 if you swing it to the ditch.
Overall I am very pleased with the Pearl Kinetic.
I would still like to see a weaker ball in the line along the lines of a Tornado or Razr for the extreme burn or at least a ball that you can use to stay out of trouble on a really torn up pattern that you can play the dirt more effectively.
I am going to drill another with a 5 1/2" OR 6" Pin up to see how it reacts on the burned up paterns.
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Edited on 8/1/2008 1:04 PM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 03, 2008, 01:58:31 PM
Me thinks.....
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 03, 2008, 02:39:55 PM
My Kinetic has no doubt the least number of games on it out of all I have, but went through the most hell with 3 drills, and Lord knows how many surface changes.
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Post by: LFSoccer2k6 on August 10, 2008, 01:16:55 AM
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Post by: Guined on August 12, 2008, 01:28:09 PM
One with a 4.5" pin to PAP, Drill Angle at 60° and VAL Angle at 68°. Very nice ball, clean through the fronts with nice length and a very strong move off the spot.
Second one is drilled Rico, this has to be one of the best core/cover/drilling combinations I have ever thrown. The ball is flat out awesome and carries everything. I have thrown it about ten games and finally had a game under 250. The last game I threw with it was 246. THe way it rolls you can tells its going to strike a lot. It will be hard to put this one down.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 12, 2008, 10:44:39 PM
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Post by: Guined on August 13, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
I have a Kinetic Energy and Kinetic Pearl with the same layouts. The Kinetic Pearl is longer and not as angular for me. The Kinetic Energy, I have create more launch angle in the front part of the lane and it has a very strong recovery.
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Post by: Billy Ray on August 26, 2008, 08:42:16 AM
Can't wait to drill another KP as well.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 27, 2008, 10:15:07 AM
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/1/1720315158.jpg
With the exception of I will place the pin perhaps an inch higher, with the MB much closer to my thumb, so an X-hole will not be needed. It'll likely wind up being a 5.5x3.5 layout. My last day of the summer league is this Friday. So I'll be throwing this and my UpRising before I make a review.
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Post by: Jay on August 29, 2008, 05:36:27 AM
Post by: Jay on August 29, 2008, 11:50:27 PM
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Closer to the Swarm. The Rapid Fire Pearl is even more lengthy/angular and the Playmaker is less.
Thanks. I am looking for a versatile ball on light to med oil ths condition where I can play up the board or swing it and still recover if the need arise. I own the uprising and zone classic. Uprising is a touch too strong for that condition as it burn up before reaching the pin deck while the zone classic is great for playing up the board or a small swing from 12 to 5. Move any deeper the ball have a hard time recovering. I am looking at those balls I mentioned that I think fits the bill and have a hard time choosing only one because I can only buy one more ball this year.
The KP looks real attractive both in terms of look and specs just wondering if it gives me the reaction I want?
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If you have any hand, it should do just fine on those conditions. I think paired with your Uprising those two balls could make a good 1-2 punch as well.
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 30, 2008, 12:18:46 PM
The Pearl looks and rolls great. I have a relatively weak layout on it and kept it oob. Even with the long heavy oil I have here, as long as it didn't go out any further than 10, it made smooth arc into the pocket. 244-279-256 the first night out. I can see on shorter/lighter oil, this ball can be a monster.
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Post by: louf846 on August 31, 2008, 07:22:37 AM
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on August 31, 2008, 03:21:33 PM
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Post by: AdrianS on September 01, 2008, 09:39:37 AM
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Time for some REAL bowling!!!
Post by: batbowler on September 01, 2008, 09:54:15 AM
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Post by: tdub36tjt on September 01, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
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The rg and diff numbers of the Playmaker and Kinetic Pearl are similar and I get similar reaction from my Playmaker and when I tested the KP, both pearls and both from the same plant! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Post by: louf846 on September 01, 2008, 07:53:03 PM
The Kinetic Pearl is asymetrical, with 15 lb ball, 2.46 rg, .044 diff, .008 int diff.
I know on house slots, a lot of times my stuff tends to blend into each other at times. On a flatter condition, you would notice a difference in reaction between the two. Both are great pieces but both have totally different cores and covers.
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