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Title: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 22, 2008, 01:30:33 PM
ok i know maybe a track staffer can help me on this one.. but ive had my kinetic for about 3 months went got it cleaned tonight put it on the alley and all this thing did was wobble down the alley like it had a flat tire or something the cover is mint and there no chips or cracks in the ball.. Is it possible that the core cracked or broke inside making the ball move irractic.. i pulled out my other ball and they were fine?? i need help with this one
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: lsf_21 on May 22, 2008, 09:38:16 PM
maybe the ball just wasnt for this pattern?
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 22, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
its a typical house shoot and ive bowled in this league for 13 weeks now and never had a problem with this ball on ths idk what happened its like one mintue it was fine and the next nothing
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: flounder6639 on May 22, 2008, 09:42:13 PM
if you drop the ball on the floor you will be able to hear if the core is cracked but make sure you drop the ball on all sides.Also check and see if you tracked over the thumb or maybe a grip if you use them came out a little.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 22, 2008, 09:44:27 PM
ok i will have to try that tomorrow is there a certain noise i should be listening for also if the core is cracked is this under warranty from track
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: lsf_21 on May 22, 2008, 09:45:11 PM
rolling it against another ball i always found working better.

as for the ball, if you polished it back up it might have found some oil and it got held up a bit just need to get a good track built back up on it.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: lsf_21 on May 22, 2008, 09:45:54 PM
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ok i will have to try that tomorrow is there a certain noise i should be listening for also if the core is cracked is this under warranty from track


it sounds like you would think, its like something loose inside the ball
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: flounder6639 on May 22, 2008, 09:47:32 PM
it has a clink sound or a hollow sound you will know it.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: lsf_21 on May 22, 2008, 09:49:22 PM
if your not sure you can do it to a differnt ball that you know for sure is fine and if theres any difference at all you probobly have a problem.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Hogsharley on May 22, 2008, 10:53:52 PM
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ive had my kinetic for about 3 months went got it cleaned tonight put it on the alley and all this thing did was wobble down the alley like it had a flat tire or something


Put some air in it.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: vdinbc on May 23, 2008, 07:25:38 AM
Maybe what you thought was ball cleaner (Energizer) was actually polish.  Hit it with a ab pad and find out.  If it goes wobble wobble it might be the operator.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 23, 2008, 07:50:49 AM
i didnt clean it i brought it to the proshop and he hit it was the pad to clean the junk off
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: louf846 on May 23, 2008, 08:55:38 AM
If the ball rolled fine before it was cleaned, then I doubt the doubt separated or anything. You would have had to apply a nasty amount of pressure in the same spot for a long time to put a flat spot on the ball with a spinner.
Now, was the ball physically bouncing, or did it just not hook?
I have had balls before with flat spots before in your track and you can hear it rumble every time it rolls over it. If the ball was cleaned with an abralon pad, perhaps the surface just didn't match up to what you had before? Hard to tell without seeing what you had before with the ball.
But, in short, if the ball rolled fine before and all you had was the ball cleaned and surface altered, nothing should be wrong with the ball now. May need to tweak the cover stock though to get back your desired reaction. The Track cores are single density, basically, one piece cores, and it is highly unlikely it cracked during the cleaning process. I think the surface needs adjusting after the cleaning.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: vdinbc on May 23, 2008, 09:07:08 AM
I was kidding when I said operator error!
But seriously most people don't hit there ball with a pad to clean it anymore.  There are so many great products that take the junk off but don't change the surface.
Today when people hit it with a pad they do it to change the surface.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: louf846 on May 23, 2008, 09:20:19 AM
I would use Clean n' Dull from Powerhouse to clean the ball when it needs a good deep cleaning. I use it and it takes the stuff off with minimal effort. It is a gel and works really well. Also makes the ball very tacky. It will not change your surface like the Dull part suggests. It is a great product. Just let it soak in for about 30 second or so and then clean it off with a damp towel. I think your ball is fine and you just need to adjust the surface back.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: jbuzz31 on May 23, 2008, 09:26:56 AM
were you playing a different line with this ball then the others? it might have been the lanes. i know at the center i bowl at, on lane 15 about 40-43 ft down the lane right about the 8-10 board its not level and if your ball hits it it will jump about 2" and ruin your shot.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 23, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
i was bowling on a different set of lanes but the kinetic is the only one that would jump the rising was smooth the vibe was smooth i first i thought well damn just the lanes are flooded but this is the only ball that jumped around
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Guined on May 23, 2008, 10:11:16 AM
Another thing it could be is what your proshop operator cleaned the junk off your ball with. If he used acetone and pushed it in with an Abralon Pad he may have just killed your ball.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Grayson on May 23, 2008, 10:33:41 AM
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Another thing it could be is what your proshop operator cleaned the junk off your ball with. If he used acetone and pushed it in with an Abralon Pad he may have just killed your ball.
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how should that be possible?

aceton evaporates real fast... and "pushing" it in with an abralon????? Not possible... it it is more possible that the surface has changed

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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: louf846 on May 23, 2008, 10:46:06 AM
Acetone is absolutely terrible for your bowling ball. I cannot remember Ron Hickland's exact explanation of what happens but it has something to do with plastecizers and actually makes your ball more brittle. It basically turns it into a urethane ball I think. I just know I don't let the stuff touch my equipment.

Blackphantom,

Please provide a better description of "jump around" and "wobble". Was the ball leaving the lane surface or was the reaction just different than before.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Guined on May 23, 2008, 10:47:38 AM
Yes acetone evaporates quickly. But, it can make a ball so it won't absorb any oil. I'm not a chemist so I can not give you all the technical terms. but I do know acetone is horrible for a bowling ball. Ebonite has proven this, if you want more details on what acetone can do to a ball get a hold of Ron Hickland Jr. at Ebonite.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 23, 2008, 11:03:15 AM
ok the best explaination i can give for what i saw is if you picture rolling a ball is a straight line it would move 2 boards to the left 2 boards back to the right it wasnt a smooth arc..  its hard to explain i should go video tape it this weekend or something.  or if you vibrate something how it shakes thats what the ball was doing
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: louf846 on May 23, 2008, 11:18:07 AM
Basically, like the ball was trying to hook a few different times? Sounds like a surface issue unless you can actually hear the ball making noise, we have to assume it was in contact with the lane surface. Since the only change that was made was ball surface, it has to be that. I would hope acetone wasn't used, then maybe have him start at a 500 pad, to 1000, to 2000 and then apply factory polish and this should get you to as close as possible to the OOB finish as you can get. See if this helps the reaction any.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 23, 2008, 12:20:43 PM
will try im gonna go up thre tonight and have him redue the ball surface useually he cleans it and its nice and polished i thought it looked a lil different...  I do have a question though without a ball spinner how can i clean the rubber marks off and polish the ball to get the factory shine and tackness
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Aristotle on May 23, 2008, 12:24:54 PM
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will try im gonna go up thre tonight and have him redue the ball surface useually he cleans it and its nice and polished i thought it looked a lil different...  I do have a question though without a ball spinner how can i clean the rubber marks off and polish the ball to get the factory shine and tackness


Any of the modern cleaners out there will take the marks off of the ball. Personally, I use Clean 'n Dull. The name is a little misleading because it does not actually dull the ball. Polished equipment remains polished while dull balls will remain dull. I have used this on all of my Track equipment with great success.
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: louf846 on May 23, 2008, 12:36:09 PM
Clean n' Dull is great. It is a gel like I said in a prior post, just put it on with a dry towel and wipe it off with a damp one. It will get those marks off and I believe it is approved for use during USBC competition as are most Powerhouse cleaners, so you would be allowed to use it unless the league or tournament has a specific rule forbidding it.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: htownstaff on May 23, 2008, 02:27:51 PM
Was the ball polished after the cleaning?
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on May 23, 2008, 02:50:05 PM
nope
Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: louf846 on May 23, 2008, 02:53:38 PM
Did he use just the pad to clean the ball or was a cleaner/acetone/liquid/etc applied to the ball? Sounds to me like the ball was burning up on your because it was left dull. Surface adjustments make a huge difference is ball motion.
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Title: Re: kinetic wobbles
Post by: charlest on May 23, 2008, 06:13:20 PM
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Acetone is absolutely terrible for your bowling ball.


If you soak the ball in acetone, yes. Otherwise, no. Just cleaning a few spots on the ball will most defintiely not kill the ball. I would not suggest regular cleaning with acetone, but virtually EVRERY pro shop uses it.

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 I cannot remember Ron Hickland's exact explanation of what happens but it has something to do with plastecizers and actually makes your ball more brittle. It basically turns it into a urethane ball I think. ...
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There is no MAGIC in applying or using acetone it's just like any other chemical.

Acetone is used up when it interacts with the plastic in a bowling ball. Urethane, polyester and resin all belong to the family of plastics. When the acetone, actually an extremely simple compound, reacts with resin, the acetone is used up EXTREMELY quickly. Besides being used up, a lot evaporates before it even gets a chance to be used up in the chemical reaction.

The amount of acetone needed to turn a resin ball into urethane is beyond your ability to pick up or to contain.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- paraphrase from many science fiction novels and movies.

If you don't understand the nature of the chemical reaction, someone you believe can say anything and you'll take it for fact.
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