Post by: spinner031 on July 05, 2007, 11:52:33 PM
1) How early does it pick up its roll?
2)How much backend does it have?
3) What conditions is it best suited for? Can it be used on THS and Chameleon, Viper, Scorpion?
4) Where do you place this ball in a Track arsenal?
5) Compared to the Machine, how much more does this ball hook and on what conditions will the MM favor over the Machine?
6) What is the reaction shape difference between these two balls?
Any help will be great!
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Post by: spinner031 on July 06, 2007, 09:19:29 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 06, 2007, 02:42:24 PM
answers:
1- depends on layout, but compared to the Machine it picks up a couple of feet sooner and backends more.
2- With identical layouts and OOB surface preps the Mean will suprise you with how much backend it has. The only Machine with more backend is the Power.
3- Mine had a fairly tame layout and I was still able to use it on the Shark Pattern. So if it can be used on all of those patterns really depends on layout and your style.
4- In MOST Track Arsenals it will be the strongest ball...unless you have an Animal, Rule GP2 or a Rising
. 5- Basically described that above.
6- The Machine is smoother overall throughout the lane than the Mean. The Mean picks up its roll sooner and backends more.....so if I had to try to describe it I would say arc/snap.
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Post by: six pack on July 06, 2007, 06:41:02 PM
my track arsenal for one house this year is:
phenom-1000 abralon-heavy
inertia-2000 abralon-med with carrydown
mean machine-2000 polished-med 3rd game ball inside/out shot
thoughts?
P.S. the inertia has been perfect for me for med oil with carrydown so I don't want to change a thing on this ball.
sorry for steping on you're post spinner.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 10, 2007, 06:37:44 AM
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I just picked one up on a trade and want to try it 2000 polished.anyone have there's set up this way?what reaction did you see,more backend?
my track arsenal for one house this year is:
phenom-1000 abralon-heavy
inertia-2000 abralon-med with carrydown
mean machine-2000 polished-med 3rd game ball inside/out shot
thoughts?
The Mean at 2000 should still be able to handle more oil compared to the Inertia. However, dependent upon the puddle in the center (or how deep you get), the Mean is still a piece that offers a good strong backend reaction for the amount of oil it can handle.
I'd say the Machine or our Kinetic may even fit that bill to open up the shot in the latter part of the night even better due to the amount of stored energy these balls capable of.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 10, 2007, 06:52:43 AM
1) How early does it pick up its roll?
The larger pores on the surface makes the ball like to roll a bit quicker but for some who are on a thicker density or volume of oil, it can go fairly long before turning on the backend. I've had both looks myself.
2)How much backend does it have?
Again, all dependent upon how much stored energy you can get the ball to retain.
3) What conditions is it best suited for? Can it be used on THS and Chameleon, Viper, Scorpion?
Unfortunately my PBA league didn't come close to matching any of the shots IMHO. I was standing against the ball return and was able to bring the ball back from 5-6 board on every shot, even on the Shark...not a close read by any means.
4) Where do you place this ball in a Track arsenal?
It still belongs in our med/heavy category.
5) Compared to the Machine, how much more does this ball hook and on what conditions will the MM favor over the Machine?
Approximately anywhere from 5-7 boards for me (may vary per bowler style). The condition I found that the the Mean shined was on a thicker and heavier condition where the surface didn't read the heads too fast and still transitioned strongly from skid/roll to hook.
In the lighter density oil, it read quickly and lacked the backend finish it had on the heavier oil conditions. However, dependent upon your style (for any of you reading), you must understand whether you are speed or rev dominant as your results may vary from my personal experience.
6) What is the reaction shape difference between these two balls?
Layout with strong asymmetrical balls (such as these) dictate reaction shape. This is a trick question in actuality. I can drill both of these balls to look similar in reaction and at the same time place the mb's in opposite directions to create worlds of separation.
Hope this helps some...
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Post by: six pack on July 10, 2007, 06:53:22 AM
I really liked what I saw from the mean machine so I decided to sand the mean down to 1000 and I polished the inertia.since I have these two I'll try them both how they were intended to be.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 10, 2007, 07:01:28 AM
quote:
the meanie wanted to pick up a little ealier in the mids but did'nt have the backend punch.
Hey six, exactly what I just explained about stored energy.....the Mean needs some pretty heavy oil to retain that energy so it can be released on the backend.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 10, 2007, 07:27:59 AM
quote:quote:
the meanie wanted to pick up a little ealier in the mids but did'nt have the backend punch.
Hey six, exactly what I just explained about stored energy.....the Mean needs some pretty heavy oil to retain that energy so it can be released on the backend.
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Alot of oil to get it to skid down the lane or a release that will help get it to skid down the lane. Yet this ball is able to backend like no tomarrow when the cover is placed at the right condition, or used on the right amount of oil.
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Post by: six pack on July 10, 2007, 12:51:30 PM
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Post by: spinner031 on July 11, 2007, 06:41:50 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 11, 2007, 09:47:38 AM
-Carl
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Post by: spinner031 on July 11, 2007, 03:26:13 PM
Post by: spinner031 on July 11, 2007, 04:49:11 PM
Post by: six pack on July 11, 2007, 04:49:12 PM
quote:
What do you clean your with? I've heard about Simple Green (stuff stinks) and water 50/50 blends, Clean n' Dull, alcohol...
I have had good luck using simple green and 90% rubbing alcohol mixed 50/50.I also use track clean'n dull around the thirty game mark.also the hot water bath works very good too.I've never had a ball die on me yet but I also own a spinner and clean every time I use something.
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 11, 2007, 06:29:19 PM
1) How early does it pick up its roll?
For the layout that I have on the MM, it picks up earlier than the rest of my current arsenal.
2)How much backend does it have?
Once again, in comparison to the rest of my arsenal, and set at 1000 grit abralon(no polish) has the highest arcing backend.
3) What conditions is it best suited for? Can it be used on THS and Chameleon, Viper, Scorpion?
On a THS, in addition to my release, it has to be on a fresh layout. Even then, my MM won't last long. However, on the Shark, Scorpion, and Chameleon I get a great reaction out of it. The Viper and Cheetah-the MM doesn't roll long enough.
4) Where do you place this ball in a Track arsenal?
THS-9 times out of 10, it won't come out. Otherwise, it's near the bottom unless it's heavy oil-or on first shift.
5) Compared to the Machine, how much more does this ball hook and on what conditions will the MM favor over the Machine? Never had the Machine.
6) What is the reaction shape difference between these two balls?
Never had the Machine
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Post by: spinner031 on July 12, 2007, 09:14:31 PM
Which would be a better 3-ball arsenal for house shots and all the PBA patterns?
Mean Machine - heavy (not floods); strong arc
Power Machine - medium/heavy; skid/snap
Arsenal Artillery - medium; strong arc
Solution Power Plus EX - medium/light
Mean Machine- heavy; strong arc
Inertia - medium/heavy; strong arc
Arsenal Artillery - medium; strong arc
Solution Power Plus EX - medium/light; strong arc
Also - will I find much use with the Mean Machine on house shots, or is it generally too strong. Again, I have a higher speed than revs.
Any other thoughts or concerns appreciated!
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 12, 2007, 09:17:10 PM
As for the mean machine. Our speed is close, and going by what you say about your revs, it's signifcantly lower than what my revs were before I got hurt. Without knowing your layout/surface choice on this ball, I would ASSUME that your MM would be okay for you on a THS.
Also, I noticed that you are asking about PBA patterns again. Sorry for not asking earlier, but are you bowling on these patterns now/soon? Either way, in case you didn't know, you should check out the PBA experience videos on bowl.com(if I'm not mistaken). Just another helpful tool.
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My summer leagues have ended early due to a wrist injury. Out 4-6 weeks.
Weeks of bowling withdrawl-4
Post by: spinner031 on July 12, 2007, 09:31:14 PM
quote:
are you bowling on these patterns now
Actually, no, not this year; I am planning for next summer's PBA Experience. That's why I want to know if it would be a good idea to NOT buy the Mean Machine just yet because I might find it is too strong for the THS league I am in for the upcoming season. I don't want to buy a ball that only takes up room in my bag.
Post by: spinner031 on July 12, 2007, 09:33:14 PM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 12, 2007, 09:34:55 PM
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My current arsenal-www.putfile.com/trackbowler627
High game-300
High series-796
My summer leagues have ended early due to a wrist injury. Out 4-6 weeks.
Weeks of bowling withdrawl-4
Post by: spinner031 on July 13, 2007, 05:30:59 PM
Post by: charlest on July 13, 2007, 06:12:41 PM
quote:
The Mean Machine:
3) What conditions is it best suited for? Can it be used on THS and Chameleon, Viper, Scorpion?
Unfortunately my PBA league didn't come close to matching any of the shots IMHO. I was standing against the ball return and was able to bring the ball back from 5-6 board on every shot, even on the Shark...not a close read by any means.
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Rick,
After you recover from the cold you had in APRIL (!?!?!), you need to take some body building courses. 14 lb balls still seem too heavy for you ...
"Standing against the ball return and still coming back from the 5 board?"
Try a polyester ball.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 16, 2007, 05:14:07 AM
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Rick,
After you recover from the cold you had in APRIL (!?!?!), you need to take some body building courses. 14 lb balls still seem too heavy for you ...
"Standing against the ball return and still coming back from the 5 board?"
Try a polyester ball.
Unfortunately my house still has a 6 wick machine, can't truly reproduce PBA conditions and our head mechanic (who does a great job maintaining our A-2's) does not bowl so I have to help instruct him on patterns and densities required for shots. We are however hopefully getting a jet spray soon which will make things much better.
As for body building, haha...good one brother...
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Post by: astroboy on July 17, 2007, 03:31:36 AM
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As for body building, haha...good one brother...
Hahaahaaaa. Just like what you've suggested about Xcessive_Evil's injury, take it slowly, or else you are gonna get injured. I don't wanna have you to drill a ball with only one arm.
