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SuperFred

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Looking for a strong oil ball
« on: August 14, 2005, 01:51:03 PM »
I've recently gotten some new gear, a Brunswick BVP Nemesis for medium oil which I'm quite happy with, and a BVP Goliath for oil that I don't like much at all. Drilled it twice with different layouts, can't get much out of it. Since I already have an old maroon Stomp, I figured I'd give Track a go. I'd probably want to avoid getting another particle ball, as they seem to be a bit of a pain

Stroker, relatively high speed (18-20mph), low-med revs, high track. Looking for something for medium-heavy/heavy oil, preferably drilled quite strong. From my poking around on the Track site, an Arsenal Reactive (drilling 2 or 3) looks roughly like what I'm after, or possibly a Rule. Anyone have any thoughts? I would really like to have some sort of shot on oil other than "throw it straight at the pocket" :*|
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2005, 10:04:13 PM »
med/heavy - Rule Delta or Xception 5.0
Heavy - GP2 or wait till the Machine....
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2005, 10:19:01 PM »
your probably just not using the goliath on heavy enough oil and its rolling out early. there was a great post earlier today on high load particle balls, i suggest you check it out.
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 10:48:54 PM »
i think ifu dont like the particle that u have u probably wont like any particle they are tempermental and if not suited to your game i think they are a waste I think you might be better served looking into some of the other coverstocks that relymore on blocks and spin time to combat oil and have it drilled as strong as possible although the brunswick U I is a good ball and maybe look at something like the track freak a zoid or animal untamed. Once u have and hate a particle ball u will hate everyone u get i think i know i have.
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2005, 10:51:43 PM »
i read the post and u seem to have the same result with the particles i have had going to start polishing mine
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2005, 11:59:10 PM »
Hrm, interesting post. I've bowled a few weeks on new synthetics with medium-heavy oil and a fair bit of carrydown, and the Goliath certainly hits and carries better than my other equipment, it's just not quite what I was expecting I would still like to get a stronger non-particle ball drilled up, not that interested in getting another particle ball right now.

From the Track site, the balls in the current line up that interest me would be the Xception, Rule and Arsenal Reactive. These are all available locally, which reduces the pain a little (importing to Australia sucks). I can also get the Animal, which seems pretty crazy, and the Rule Delta 1, which doesn't seem to exist on the Track site at all Is there any info on the Delta around? There are no reviews of it on here either
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2005, 12:04:51 AM »
the delta is a reactive solid ball... give me 5 min and i will have some more info for you.
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2005, 12:06:07 AM »
http://www.trackbowling.com/gear/balls.cfm?bid=54

there is the info on the delta 1.
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2005, 12:11:27 AM »
hehehe, beat you to it chi
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2005, 07:21:57 AM »
quote:
Hrm, interesting post. I've bowled a few weeks on new synthetics with medium-heavy oil and a fair bit of carrydown, and the Goliath certainly hits and carries better than my other equipment, it's just not quite what I was expecting I would still like to get a stronger non-particle ball drilled up, not that interested in getting another particle ball right now.


Not sure why you it was "not quite what you expected".
IF it was because it did not hook a lot, then you may forever be disappointed on heavy oil.
Otherwise, why was it not what you expected?

From the Track site, the balls in the current line up that interest me would be the Xception, Rule and Arsenal Reactive. These are all available locally, which reduces the pain a little (importing to Australia sucks). I can also get the Animal, which seems pretty crazy, and the Rule Delta 1, which doesn't seem to exist on the Track site at all Is there any info on the Delta around? There are no reviews of it on here either [/quote]

The Xception is a pearl so forget that.
The Rule should probably be stronger than the Arsenal Reactive given both its cover and its VERY STRONG core (even though the AR has a techniclaly lower RG). I'd suggest, given your ball speed and revs, that for heavy oil you should max out the drilling.

That said, I'd still strongly recommend you consider a particle ball, as nothing handles heavy oil ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE WITH LOW REVS, like a particle ball. You may like the ball path and reaction of the GP2 due to its very strong cover plus its higher RG core, gives it better than average length for an oiler and still retains backend drive, more like a solid resin and, for some, even like a resin pearl. Its cover is also adaptable for a particle.

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SuperFred

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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2005, 08:26:51 AM »
Tried two different drillings. It's not that it doesn't hook a lot, it's more that it seems to only move a little bit just before the pins. I certainly don't see it gripping/moving as it goes down the lane (which is what it's meant to do, AFAIK), but this might just be the drilling again. I was hoping it would be usable on true heavy oil (which I see in tournaments once a month or so) and medium-heavy, which I currently see twice a week ... but I still struggle a bit on both. I end up throwing the Goliath straight at the pocket, and I can do that equally well with my spare ball (which was 1/3 the price of the Goliath). Bit wary about buying another particle coverstock ball that may not like me

Currently planning to travel to another state for a large (for Australia, anyway) tournament in early September, and it looks like I'd be cutting it very close trying to get a Rule Delta 1 in by then. A vanilla Rule drilled fairly strongly seems like it will be what I'm after, unless anyone has any better ideas (or wants to smuggle me in a Delta 1)
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2005, 01:31:00 PM »
Rules have been discontinued...tried to order one last week from Track and they were all gone!

As for what you want, I would try either a Delta, Arsenal Reactive, or a FAZ. I have not tested any of the new balls, so I can not comment on them. However, the FAZ is still a monster of a ball! Also, if the Goliath is too much, maybe a 5.0 or Angular would fit the bill...they are decently strong particle pearls....so you get the strength of particle and length from the polish and pearl!

As for the Goliath...is it possible that the ball is just so strong without enought oil it is just dead at the pins for you? It may be good for the flood when you hit it...liek the GP2..you need sufficient oil for it to work, but it can't be beat on the heavy stuff.

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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2005, 02:28:35 PM »
The GP2 is a great ball for the heavier oil with the proper surface prep. If you can find the Rule on closeout somewhere you will not be disappointed. Mine has been a savior on the wetter mediums when the GP2 is to early and the FAZ is not early enough. I like dull reactives that get through the heads clean and pick up strong in the mid-lane like the Rule does.

The Arsenal Reactive looks like a good substitution for the Rule going by the specs.

Just my 2 cents.
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SuperFred

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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2005, 08:39:53 PM »
Hrm. It could be that I haven't run into _enough_ oil, but it's bad enough bowling where I bowl tonight (lanes oiled/cleaned in the morning, oiled over the top in the afternoon before leagues) I'll send some emails and see if any of the online shops here have a Rule in stock, they're certainly still listed as for sale. The Arsenal Reactive should also be available, but I'll ask. For the FAZ, it looks to be rated roughly similar to my Nemesis (though that is drilled fairly moderately), so I'd probably skip it. The Arsenal Reactive seems to be $60-70 AUD cheaper than the Rule, too. Hrm. Going to see pro shop guy tonight, so I'll see what he can get in for me.. which should be cheaper than paying $30 shipping from an online store.
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Re: Looking for a strong oil ball
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2005, 08:44:57 PM »
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