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spinner031

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Machine is drilled up
« on: July 28, 2007, 10:54:07 AM »
I got my Machine drileld up today.  It ended up (by MY calculations) 4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, and the pin 4 1/4" above my GC, small weight hole near PAP.
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Left the factory finish on it.  Will "try" it out Monday; the thumbhole feels small...

 

spinner031

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2007, 08:44:40 PM »
So how much of a difference do you think there will be between these two layouts:

4 1/2 x 4MB, pin 3 1/4 midline
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4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, pin 4 1/4 above midline

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2007, 08:45:13 PM »
Obviously more length with the farther PAP-MB distance, but what about overall hook?

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2007, 02:45:52 PM »
I tried the Machine out on Cheetah and house today.

The Cheetah was really burnt, but I found a line that kept moving left and eventually put me on 30 rolling over 13. The ball got down the lane and tore left on the dry.

But I want this ball to be STRONGER than my Artillery (as in, a good fit between the Artillery and say, a Robo Rule). And when I tried it out on house, it slid 60 feet, and didn't move more than a board. Yes, the oil was heavier, but at least my Artillery moved 5 boards or so.

I can't believe that the driller would do this to me! I told him the layout I wanted (4 1/2 x 4MB, pin 3 1/4 midline), and he put the pin one inch higher from the GC than I requested (4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, pin 4 1/4 above midline). What bothers me more is that he wouldn't even tell me that he had to change something! He figured I wouldn't know or something! I'll be back tonight - I'm not paying for the service! I got this ball BRAND FRICKIN' NEW and now it's coming down to plugging and filling.  I don't want to have to do that to a ball that has but 5 of my own games on it!

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2007, 03:43:39 PM »
that is bad...

Wish you the best with your Machine...

this is the reason why mine is still NIb in the closet and waiting till I have time and money to get to someone that is relieable with layouts as the local guy here is not and I have no clue how to drill the ball myself.

But I always stay with the driller and watch what he is doing to make sure he does not do something fishy...

well I feel sorry for you. Hope you get it cleared and what you want.
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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2007, 04:14:26 PM »
Does anyone think that I might be able to dull the ball so that it would react the same way it would if it were drileld up 4 1/2 x 4, 3 1/4 above midline?

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2007, 05:46:46 PM »
Okay, but what differences would I see between the two Machines I am talking about, as far as overall hooking ability:

One drilled 4 1/2 x 4MB, pin 3 1/4 above midline
The second 4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, pin 4 1/4 above midline
Both OOB.

That extra inch above my midline has got to be making a difference in my hooking ability, right? I want my ball to be STRONGER than my Artillery, not as much as or less reactive than it.

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2007, 06:03:42 PM »
Either or both - scuff the Machine and/or go to 4000 polish on the Artillery. Second will go slightly longer with slightly more skid/flip reaction than the first - surface is 80% of ball reaction.
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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2007, 06:27:53 PM »
But I still want to know if my Machine will be strong enough to fit between the Rising and Artillery (with the Equation under the Artillery, mind you).

If it turns out that the Machine is a good fit, and strong enough, then I will buy the Rising for Shark and heavy/long oil.  My arsenal would be Rising, Machine, A.Artillery, Equation, spare.
But if the Machine is not strong enough, and just seems to be 3 boards stronger than the Artillery, I will want to buy a MEAN Machine, and the Rising.  My arsenal would become The Rising, Mean Machine, Machine, Equation, spare.

Yeah, I bet I AM thinking too much, aren't I?  I just don't want to be wrong.

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2007, 07:54:01 PM »
I would do the second option with the MMachine. Unless you modify the surface of one or both balls, the reactions or oil handling capability are not going to be significantly different. My 2 cents.
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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2007, 07:58:44 PM »
So you think I should have the Rising, M.Machine, Machine, and Equation.
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I just realized that I have 3 pealr balls and no solids.  Do you think I may be in trouble by having the MM, M, and Equation without a solid in there somewhere?

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2007, 08:31:11 PM »
Personally - Rising, MMachine, AArtillery, Equation, etc. My Artillery was too strong for medium & too weak for med/heavy on my short house pattern. Correct me if I am wrong - the MM & AA are blends - they scuff very nicely.
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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2007, 09:06:46 PM »
Crap.  I was going to go that way, but I own the Artillery, Machine, and Equation (still in box, though).  In my current situation, I'm not going to throw out my Machine, so I guess my next step is the MM.

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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2007, 04:10:42 PM »
quote:
I own the Artillery, Machine, and Equation (still in box, though). In my current situation, I'm not going to throw out my Machine, so I guess my next step is the MM.  


Hey bud,

Hang on and wait for Kinetic.  Worldwide release date (great concept from my Dad) is Aug 13th, it's coming soon, that will fill the void just as well and you'll have one of  the new releases which is a very nice piece.  Short of true heavy and dry, this ball is a very versatile piece.
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Re: Machine is drilled up
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2007, 04:17:01 PM »
I was thinking of it, but is it comparable to the Mean Machine?  Won't it be too close to the original?  Will it fit well between the Rising and original Machine well?  I've heard so much GOOD about both of these balls and I really only want to buy one.  Man I wish I had money!