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Equipment Boards => Track => Topic started by: spinner031 on July 28, 2007, 10:54:07 AM
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I got my Machine drileld up today. It ended up (by MY calculations) 4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, and the pin 4 1/4" above my GC, small weight hole near PAP.
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Left the factory finish on it. Will "try" it out Monday; the thumbhole feels small...
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So how much of a difference do you think there will be between these two layouts:
4 1/2 x 4MB, pin 3 1/4 midline
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4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, pin 4 1/4 above midline
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Obviously more length with the farther PAP-MB distance, but what about overall hook?
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I tried the Machine out on Cheetah and house today.
The Cheetah was really burnt, but I found a line that kept moving left and eventually put me on 30 rolling over 13. The ball got down the lane and tore left on the dry.
But I want this ball to be STRONGER than my Artillery (as in, a good fit between the Artillery and say, a Robo Rule). And when I tried it out on house, it slid 60 feet, and didn't move more than a board. Yes, the oil was heavier, but at least my Artillery moved 5 boards or so.
I can't believe that the driller would do this to me! I told him the layout I wanted (4 1/2 x 4MB, pin 3 1/4 midline), and he put the pin one inch higher from the GC than I requested (4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, pin 4 1/4 above midline). What bothers me more is that he wouldn't even tell me that he had to change something! He figured I wouldn't know or something! I'll be back tonight - I'm not paying for the service! I got this ball BRAND FRICKIN' NEW and now it's coming down to plugging and filling. I don't want to have to do that to a ball that has but 5 of my own games on it!
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that is bad...
Wish you the best with your Machine...
this is the reason why mine is still NIb in the closet and waiting till I have time and money to get to someone that is relieable with layouts as the local guy here is not and I have no clue how to drill the ball myself.
But I always stay with the driller and watch what he is doing to make sure he does not do something fishy...
well I feel sorry for you. Hope you get it cleared and what you want.
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Does anyone think that I might be able to dull the ball so that it would react the same way it would if it were drileld up 4 1/2 x 4, 3 1/4 above midline?
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Okay, but what differences would I see between the two Machines I am talking about, as far as overall hooking ability:
One drilled 4 1/2 x 4MB, pin 3 1/4 above midline
The second 4 1/2 x 4 1/2MB, pin 4 1/4 above midline
Both OOB.
That extra inch above my midline has got to be making a difference in my hooking ability, right? I want my ball to be STRONGER than my Artillery, not as much as or less reactive than it.
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Either or both - scuff the Machine and/or go to 4000 polish on the Artillery. Second will go slightly longer with slightly more skid/flip reaction than the first - surface is 80% of ball reaction.
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Gary
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But I still want to know if my Machine will be strong enough to fit between the Rising and Artillery (with the Equation under the Artillery, mind you).
If it turns out that the Machine is a good fit, and strong enough, then I will buy the Rising for Shark and heavy/long oil. My arsenal would be Rising, Machine, A.Artillery, Equation, spare.
But if the Machine is not strong enough, and just seems to be 3 boards stronger than the Artillery, I will want to buy a MEAN Machine, and the Rising. My arsenal would become The Rising, Mean Machine, Machine, Equation, spare.
Yeah, I bet I AM thinking too much, aren't I? I just don't want to be wrong.
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I would do the second option with the MMachine. Unless you modify the surface of one or both balls, the reactions or oil handling capability are not going to be significantly different. My 2 cents.
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Gary
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So you think I should have the Rising, M.Machine, Machine, and Equation.
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I just realized that I have 3 pealr balls and no solids. Do you think I may be in trouble by having the MM, M, and Equation without a solid in there somewhere?
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Personally - Rising, MMachine, AArtillery, Equation, etc. My Artillery was too strong for medium & too weak for med/heavy on my short house pattern. Correct me if I am wrong - the MM & AA are blends - they scuff very nicely.
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Gary
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Tag Team Coaching Success Story
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Crap. I was going to go that way, but I own the Artillery, Machine, and Equation (still in box, though). In my current situation, I'm not going to throw out my Machine, so I guess my next step is the MM.
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I own the Artillery, Machine, and Equation (still in box, though). In my current situation, I'm not going to throw out my Machine, so I guess my next step is the MM.
Hey bud,
Hang on and wait for Kinetic. Worldwide release date (great concept from my Dad) is Aug 13th, it's coming soon, that will fill the void just as well and you'll have one of the new releases which is a very nice piece. Short of true heavy and dry, this ball is a very versatile piece.
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I was thinking of it, but is it comparable to the Mean Machine? Won't it be too close to the original? Will it fit well between the Rising and original Machine well? I've heard so much GOOD about both of these balls and I really only want to buy one. Man I wish I had money!
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I was thinking of it, but is it comparable to the Mean Machine? Won't it be too close to the original? Will it fit well between the Rising and original Machine well? I've heard so much GOOD about both of these balls and I really only want to buy one. Man I wish I had money!
Yes, our Kinetic is a touch under our Mean. It fits very well between the Rising and Machine. No worries, our Rising has been pushed backed to Oct 19 so "everyone" will have time to save up for it.
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Then it has become another possibility.
I know that I will buy the Rising. Mostly for Shark, maybe Scorpion, and longer stuff, but I'll need it; I have no real oil ball. I have the Machine (2.5†pin; 4 ½†X 4 1/2â€MB; 4 1/4†above GC, AA (2†pin; 5†x 4 ½â€; 1 ¼†above GC), and Equation (not drilled yet, but will be 5x5). I need a ball that can fill the gap between the Rising and the Machine. I'll want to use it on the Chameleon and Scorpion as well as heavier house shots that the Machine can't hook on. And now it has come down to either the Mean Machine or Kinetic. The Mean Machine has gotten excellent reviews, and I've heard that it's a great ball to reach for when the Machine doesn't cut it, that's what I'm looking for. I hear that the Kinetic is great too, but great doesn't really help me. It's a long/strong ball, okay, but will it be and even fit? You say yes, I don't know.
Thanks for your help!
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This is the way I see it:
Heavy: Shark, Scorpion - The Rising
Medium to heavy (house): Scorpion, Chameleon - Mean Machine, Kinetic, or ???
Medium (house): Viper - Machine/Equation
Medium/Light (house): Viper, Cheetah - Equation
Spare - White Dot
This would make my arsenal THE RISING, MEAN MACHINE or KINETIC, MACHINE, EQUATION, WHITE DOT
I don't need more than 5 balls right now, and I only want to have to carry around 3 for league this season. At my level, I'm only going to have to worry about balls for the sake of house patterns. However, I am going to want to use the same balls for PBA Experience next summer, as listed above (theoretically) in addition to the Rising on Shark. A sixth ball for light/dry lanes may come later down the road, right now it seems unnecessary because of my lower revs.
In the league this fall, I'll have 3 performance balls (4th is the WD) to have to swap in/out of my bag. I plan on carrying the Equation and Machine, but when even the Machine doesn't hook enough, I want another ball that I can move up to, and I do not yet know what it is. I'm thinking the Kinetic will cover the heavier mediums, but the Mean Machine should be able to play anywhere above my Machine. Maybe I'm not itching for the Kinetic so much (though all I hear is good about it) because I don't know enough about it. The Kinetic is weaker than the MM I am told, but then how does it compare to the original? I'm only looking for ONE ball to fit between these two. I need a ball that will be much stronger than the Machine, keeping in mind I'll have the Rising on top of it. I want to know if the Kinetic will do that, because I am certain the Mean Machine will. I can make the Machine weaker with polish, but dulling my skid/snap Kinetic won't work well. If there is another option that will fit the bill for the "medium to heavy" oil shot, I will certainly consider it however.
I currently have the Machine 2.5†pin; 4 ½†X 4 ½â€MB; 4 1/4†above midline (high above bridge) in the OOB factory finish. This ball gives me a very strong arc reaction at the breakpoint.
My Equation is undrilled, but I am planning on a 5 1/2 x 5 1/2 drilling (2.5" pin) 3 1/2 above midline (above bridge) with the OOB factory finish. I am looking for this ball to give me a skid/snap reaction, for uses on Cheetah and house shots the Machine is too strong for.