Author Topic: Machine on ultra used lanes (Read 759 times)

Grayson · « **on:** February 07, 2008, 04:49:50 PM »

... forget it.... why did I think this could work?

Those lanes were heavily used but I though the Machine would be the best choice to cut through the carrydown but it started way too soon.

My other euqipment showed over under..

The Machine though being way to strong to play it consistent (at least in my case) was working as good as the others ... it is the strongest ball in my equipment and still...

What would you do - in choice of equipment and drilling for use on a heavy used lane with carrydown but not enough opil for the real strong "boy" with strong drilling?

Weak ball strong or strong ball drilled weak? (The first I have already - just want to hear som oppinions)
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themagician · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2008, 07:00:28 PM »

For me, plastic.

For most others, a middle of the road solid coverstock ball, probably with a little surface. I could see the new avalanche solid or possibly the Pluto working well on this type of condition.
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Grayson · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2008, 12:36:23 PM »

My choice now is to play real deep as long as there is some head oil.

found a way to let the ball go long... real long... with some minor hand adjustments and it works so well.

If not I switch to a pearl or my plastic.

My Machine if I can speed it up is getting down far enough to get to the pocket but it needs oil... it needs oil.....

The ball is working 80% of the time and that is very satisfying!
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six pack · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2008, 07:11:38 PM »

I like a particle with a low flare layout and m.b. close to pap for an arc roll.up the back release is clean in the heads,picks up in the mids real smooth and hits hard in the backend.once the carydown burns up and the ball starts moveing I put it away.it's not a good choice for covering alot of boards.you don't want a layout that pushes you inside but something fairly straight and controllable in the mids and backend with a heavy backend roll.the rest is just matching the cover to the condition.I have a phenom drilled 5x4 that works perfect for this condition.
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Grayson · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:48:01 AM »

so putting the Pin closer to the Track and the MB more right in general (don't know my PAP and honestly don't think I need to know it
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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2008, 09:12:42 PM »

I tend to like a smooth layout with a cover placed at a high grit with no polish to help it pus but still cut through the carrydown. something like the Inertia with pin next to ring even with the fingers and the mb left of thumb. This will give you a smooth even rolling control reaction. Yet then I like the surface at a high finish like a 4000 abralon done on a spinner and cross hatched. this places the surface a lot finner then 4000 and will give the ball a light gloss without polish. This will get it through the burnt heads but the midlane will sart good and give you a strong roll through the carrydown.
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Grayson · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2008, 12:16:49 AM »

My Tsunami is drilled with weaker MB position and the Pin where you suggest... yet this ball does not carry for my anymore since I changed style...

IT is weaker than the MAchine and it is also a bit earlier on the midlane with much less backend still very o/u compared to the Machine.

Still looking for an option for those burnt lanes.... my H2O also is not the bet choice I think (haven't got to try it honestly)

So again for burnt lanes with heavy carrydown what ball/layout combo would you suggest in general? (strong ball with weak layout? Weak ball with strong layout? Weak ball with med layout but cover prep for oil? confused)
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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2008, 02:23:13 AM »

quote:
My Tsunami is drilled with weaker MB position and the Pin where you suggest... yet this ball does not carry for my anymore since I changed style...

IT is weaker than the MAchine and it is also a bit earlier on the midlane with much less backend still very o/u compared to the Machine.

Still looking for an option for those burnt lanes.... my H2O also is not the bet choice I think (haven't got to try it honestly)

So again for burnt lanes with heavy carrydown what ball/layout combo would you suggest in general? (strong ball with weak layout? Weak ball with strong layout? Weak ball with med layout but cover prep for oil? confused)
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Your Tsunami may be drilled this way but the MB placement on the Tsunami was not even strong enough to have its placement matter. The only time the MB matters or will have a signifagant or noticeable change to the reaction the ball will give. Is if the MB rating is .010 or higher. The higher the number the more important the placement and the stronger the affect on the ball it will have. For the MB left of thumb layout you will want to use something that has a MB rating of .010 or higher. I would say try something closer to .017-.024. This will really show you how much it will smoothen out the ball and help pull it through the burnt heads. The MB is strong but not overly strong. The cover prep you will want is a real smooth finish. Much like I said a 4000 cross hatch finish on a spinner. This will give you a real gloss look without the use of polish. You dont want to use polish because if you have carrydown, the ball wont make contact with the dry. You will want to get your ball to start to roll right before it leaves the midlane, this way your ball has started and is in its roll as it enters the carrydown. You dont want to try and get the reaction in the backends because you will start to see over under. I would say get ahold of one of the following balls. These are from multiple companys. Raid, Black Widow, Machine, Powermachine, Break, Blast Zone, Night Hawk, Sahara. You will want something with a strong enough MB but not to strong. I would say stay away from anything pushing the range of .027 and higher. Placing the MB left of the thumb may weaken the ball to much and could cause it to push way to far down the lane. I may be wrong but that is what I see. The layout stated gives the ball a nice smooth roll. You still have continuation after it starts but it is not a major move. If you can get it the Track Inertia is awsome with this layout, also the machine is awsome with this layout. I love the machine with this layout at 1000 abralon for the Cheetah patturn. The layout gives me the length I need for the patturn, and the cover at 1000 lets me stand a little more left of everyone and still get a consistant reaction. The 1000 gets it to roll strong thought the slight heavy oil on the inside, and the layout helps it to push and the surface again makes it not as flippy off the dry. It is a odd combination, but it works for me. The best thing about this layout is it lets the player really get control over what the ball is going to do and go. I have yet to find a layout that lets the bowler get as much control over what the ball does of my hand as this layout.
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Author Topic: Machine on ultra used lanes (Read 759 times)

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