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clintdaley

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Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« on: April 14, 2005, 03:54:12 AM »
A general question for anyone:

As many of you know, I drill almost everything I get the same way and let the differences in cover and core make the balls react differently from each other. However, I am thinking of drilling a GP2 like this.

Put the pin beside the ring, or just under it like the rest of my equipment. Put the CG on my PAP, which would throw the mass bias a few inches past the VAL. I have not drilled ANY morpheous core balls (from the Freak to now) with the mass bias any further out than on the VAL, like the one GP2 I currently have. I would polish the cover as I do want to even out the overall reaction I get. In the past, a few balls I had drilled like this died early (Track NRG), but, after polishing, reacted like a champ!

What do you guys think? Has anyone done this?

I am thinking about drilling a GP2 like this because:
1.   I like the cover, plus I can easily adjust it to polish it more or to take it back to factory.
2.   I like the high RG of the core.
3.   The ball will still be aggressive enough for some oil with my high track and high speed due to the particle cover.
4.   The ball will be more even than a pearl as the solid cover will not be as over/under (squirty) on some conditions like pearls can be for me due to my release.

Thanks!

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2005, 12:53:34 PM »
Clint,

I have drilled a few balls like this, it makes them very aggressive in the frong part of the lane so you will probably need to adjust the surface a bit. It does make the backend reaction arcy, but stable at the same time. Just make sure that the ball you drill this kind of layout on does not have too much topweight. You may not be able to get it all out.

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2005, 01:26:59 PM »
Clint,

I drilled an Animal for my buddy, a 0 degree layout, read early with a round archy backend, very smooth with power.
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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2005, 01:40:18 PM »
me too......see my profile (Animal drill)
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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2005, 01:52:13 PM »
Generally speaking, the mass bias layout positions of #4 and #5 will place the MB below the VAL regardless of the pin distance from PAP.  4's and 5's do get the ball to rev earlier.
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clintdaley

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2005, 02:00:02 PM »
THANKS everyone!

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2005, 02:43:07 PM »
Do you guys think that this drilling would be too much up front and quit in the backend for a high rpm player around the high 400-low 500 range?
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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2005, 02:49:55 PM »
DP3,

I dont think so, from what I've seen my buddy is also high rev cranker, works fine for him in a light short THS.
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clintdaley

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2005, 02:55:40 PM »
I bet it would depend on the surface for your high rev friend........factory may be too aggressive based off of the old balls I have done this to back when.

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2005, 04:26:52 PM »
A MB placement of #4 or 5 would be best combined with a pin to PAP of 5-1/2 to 6 inches or 1-2 inches.
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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2005, 12:18:18 AM »
I own a gp with with a very aggressive drilling. I think the drilling might be just too aggressive for my style so my pro shop polished it. Yes it held more power but I still can not find a very happy area with it. I bought the ball thinking it will hook alot but did not know much about the difference between particle and resin. Not sure the gp2 is for me. IDk maybe I have not found a shoot that has the right amount of oil who knows... I will take picture of the lay out tomorrow and post them.
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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2005, 02:51:49 AM »
Brian,

 
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A MB placement of #4 or 5 would be best combined with a pin to PAP of 5-1/2 to 6 inches or 1-2 inches.
 


Can you elaborate more on this issue?  Is that too much flare will use up too much energy on MB placement #4 and #5?
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clintdaley

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2005, 05:50:34 AM »
The diff in my GP2s.
1. Factory surface, mass bias on my VAL..ball wants to stand up right away, early revving, very aggressive up front.

2 Factory surface, mass bias left of thumb (favorite drill) ball scoots through the heads easier than #1 and is overall a great ball. If I want to use it on the heavy stuff, I can move and play the ditch and it will still turn over, and I can use it when the lanes start to dry as the control drill gives me more versatility.

3. Same drill as #2, but hit with Magic Shine, ball is about 3-5 ft longer than #2 with more backend, can be used by me on inside and drier shots (my spped and high track).

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Brian Pursel

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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2005, 07:52:49 AM »
For the higher rev player, higher flare pin positions are best accompanied by "weaker" mass bias positions, thos further from the PAP (up to 6-3/4).  the other combination that works well is "stronger" mass bias placements (like #4 and #5 positions - 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 from PAP)  combined with weaker pin positions 5-6" from pap).  If the mass bias is an early revving position, more flare from a stronger pin position causes the ball to burn up too fast, and stop on the backend.  In other words, always combine a strong position with a weak position for the higher rev player.

Drilling both strong is for the speed dominant player, the player who throws the ball too fast for his rev rate.
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Re: Mass bias past the VAL on a morpheous core ball?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2005, 09:30:25 AM »
Ok right now {I am waitting for the shop to open so I ca get them to map everything out. WIll post pictures later today. I have looked at tracks drilling on their page and really I could not even pick one out that is close to any. The ball flares about 6 to 7 times on me. Lately I have been hitting the ball harder and changed release. I would consider my self med to high revs Pap would be 5 1/4 maybe more. Will take photos before its maped out then more when I have everything maped out but it does sound exzactly like you were saying its just doing everything in the heads and nothing in the back. Here is the link to all my equipment hope I got everything in it for all you experts. Also so keys to my games higher revs when I do not do something stupid like chicken wing it or push it out to the mark. Ball speed around high 17's to mid 18's. My comfort shot is 15 to 8 but can go deep if I have to but have not worked on it enough to get used to it. Thanks for the help and here is the link http://www.geocities.com/rodeo937/help.html?1113628271843

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