I am having a problem with tracking over the thumb on my equipment.  Last year, I switched to Track equipment.  I have an Arsenal Reactive, Xception, and Desert Heat.  

This does not happen all of the time.  It usually tracks over the thumb for the first so many feet and then it flares off of the thumb hole.  Occasionally, it will track over the thumb further down the lane if I release it improperly.

My current specs are below.  

PAP - 5 3/8 over 5/8 up
Ball speed - 16 mph
Axis tilt - 10 degrees

Previously, I used Ebonite equipment and never experienced this problem.  My ball track was usually 1-2 inches below the thumb hole.  During the summer I attended a clinic and changed my release a little.  This changed my PAP (my old PAP was 4 1/2 over and 3/8 up).  I am coming a little more off the side of the ball now.  I thought this would lower my ball track more, if anything?  For some reason I have a higher ball track than ever.  

Has anyone else found that Track equipment tracks a little higher than other equipment?  At this point, I really do not know what to try.  I could go back to my old release and see if that affects it.  In terms of reaction, which PAP is better?  Is one better or is it one of those things that is what it is?

I really like the ball reaction I get when the ball isn't thumping over the thumb.  I would like to keep and use my Track equipment.  If anyone has any ideas about what might help my situation, please let me know.

I can post my approximate layouts for these balls, if that would help.  All balls are drilled with the pin above the fingers.

Thanks
cd

Thanks for the reply Clint.

The pin on all of these balls is pretty high.  They are above the fingers on every ball.  One is over the ring finger.  One is over the bridge, and the other is above the middle finger, I believe.  I am doing this from memory, since my bowling balls are not here as I am typing this.  My pin positions are already pretty high.  

What is the effect of moving the pin left to right, in general?  You have your pin to the right of the ring finger.  What does that do?

What is the effect in ball reaction of moving the MB more towards the VAL?  By stacked you mean the pin is directly above the MB, correct?

Thanks
cd

The pin has more of an effect based upon distance to PAP versus just where it is, thus the reason why we always want to know your PAP. A pin beside ring for a high tracker vs a pin beside ring for a spinner has a different effect. The mass bias closer to the VAL creates earlier roll, but lowers your track in the process.

Clint
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Clint Daley-Owner
Lets Go Bowling Daley
Inside Hunt Club Lanes
Salem, Ohio 44460
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Yes, it is possibel to have 2 PAP to pin distances the same with the pin in a different location. In that case, the pin under the fingers will stand up quicker, creating earlier roll, while pin above the fingers is opposite. Plus, the further the pin from the PAP, the later it rolls.

If you are thumping, then yes, you are a high tracker.

No big deal with the questions, thats why I am here!

Clint
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Clint Daley-Owner
Lets Go Bowling Daley
Inside Hunt Club Lanes
Salem, Ohio 44460
TRACK ADVISORY PRO SHOP STAFF

http://www.trackbowling.com/

http://www.startabowlingrevolution.com/

Thanks for the reply.

Does my PAP indicate whether I am a high tracker?  If so, what would be indicated by my old PAP?  I am wondering how much knowledge I can get from just the PAP?

Current PAP - 5 3/8 over and 5/8 up from the midline
Old PAP - 4 1/2 over and 3/8 up from the midline

Thanks
cd

Carl,

  You were right on!  My thumb is staying in too long.  I went and practiced for a while, concentrating only on getting my thumb out earlier.  When I get it out faster I track lower.  Is there some technique I can practice to help me get my thumb out of the ball faster, while maintaining consistency?  I believe this is a very old habit.  

Thanks
cd