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OG1

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MB controls flare?
« on: March 13, 2006, 04:08:29 PM »
Did I miss something I thought Pin to PAP distance controlled the flare potential and MB to PAP distance controlled reaction shape?  
Ebonite says that the MB left of thumb(for a right hander) causes a severe drop in flare potential.

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This is NON RECOMMENDED LAYOUT.  This layout will produce a very mild ball reaction and is not recommended.
Drilling #5
Ball Reaction: Very mild
Suitable for: Extremely high rev rates
Flare potential: Very Small
Pin Placement: Not recommended with this layout
Mass Bias Placement: Mass Bias Placements to the left of the thumb hole are not recommended because of the severe reduction in flare potential.

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TWOHAND834

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Re: MB controls flare?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 12:28:27 AM »
OG,

I do not think you have really missed anything.  Pin to PAP helps to determine flare potential.  BUT...in this case, you really have to understand the core position with this kind of layout.  Putting the core in the negative side of the ball, the block would literally have to "flip over" to get back onto the strong side of the ball.  Even if you, lets say, put the pin at 3 3/8 (leverage), but put the MB on the negative side, technically the core is close to laying down completly sideways depending on PAP which means to become strong again, the core has to stand itself up and flip over.  So, in other words, the block flipping over would increase flare (which is very unlikely), but since it is in a very weak position, flare potential is limited.
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Re: MB controls flare?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2006, 12:41:49 AM »
Asymmetrical balls are a lot different than symmetrical.  Pin distances 3 3/8 to 6 1/4" on asymmetrical balls have about the same flare potential.  This is very different than symmetrical balls.  

It gets even better than that.  Pin distances of 3 3/8 to 4 1/2 create more side roll and 4 1/2 to 6 1/4 create more of a end over end reaction from the pin distances.  A lot of bowlers get really screwed by not getting the asymmetrical balls drilled for the reaction there looking for.

So high rev players prefer longer pin to pap on symmetrical balls because it will cause the ball to flare a little less and go longer.  Not on asymmetrical balls.  It doesn't matter if you have the pin 3 3/8 or 5" from your pap because the flare will be the same.  The only difference will be the type of roll the ball will create.

Of course you have to take into account the MB along with the pin distance.  

Personally I feel asymmetrical equipment gets drilled incorrectly a lot.  I prefer symmetrical balls over asymmetrical balls any day of the week.

When my Animal gets retired I will replace it with a symmetrical heavy oil piece.

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Re: MB controls flare?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 01:32:29 AM »
Left of thumb will reduce flare because it reduces strength. You will still get flare, but not nearly as much as if you move the MB into a stronger position.

MB Placement left of thumb is why asymmetrical equipment is so versatile. You can place the MB left of thumb on a stronger ball like the Robo Rule and you can make it a much weaker ball than its potential.

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Re: MB controls flare?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 09:35:34 AM »

"When my Animal gets retired I will replace it with a symmetrical heavy oil piece."

Don't you mean your case(s) of Animals ?????

Edited on 3/14/2006 10:35 AM

chitown

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Re: MB controls flare?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 09:52:02 AM »
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"When my Animal gets retired I will replace it with a symmetrical heavy oil piece."

Don't you mean your case(s) of Animals ?????

Edited on 3/14/2006 10:35 AM


No I have two right now.  I gave two away and had one crack.  Then I sold one.  I had 6 total.

It will be a while for my Animal to retire.  Great heavy oil ball.

OG1

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Re: MB controls flare?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2006, 09:53:56 AM »
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Left of thumb will reduce flare because it reduces strength. You will still get flare, but not nearly as much as if you move the MB into a stronger position.

MB Placement left of thumb is why asymmetrical equipment is so versatile. You can place the MB left of thumb on a stronger ball like the Robo Rule and you can make it a much weaker ball than its potential.

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ok I have not seen it to the degree ebonite is saying ... I have laid out two rules one MB strong the other arc(left of thumb) I had maybe one extra flare ring on the strong ball
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Re: MB controls flare?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2006, 10:23:00 AM »
One flare ring? How far are the rings apart? My freak gives me close to 7 inches of flare. 3 and 3/8 from pap and the MB in the strong position. I love the ball, the coverstock is just dead.

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