Post by: DynoMo on June 16, 2006, 04:49:57 AM
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Equation
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Post by: heatcell9 on June 16, 2006, 01:40:58 PM
Post by: Djarum on June 16, 2006, 02:01:22 PM
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Post by: UltimateB9000 on June 16, 2006, 02:17:11 PM
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Post by: cnimsk on June 16, 2006, 02:19:05 PM
Chuck
Edited on 6/16/2006 2:29 PM
Post by: clintdaley on June 16, 2006, 02:32:07 PM
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Post by: cnimsk on June 16, 2006, 02:34:18 PM
Chuck
Post by: MSC2471 on June 16, 2006, 03:04:36 PM
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Post by: heatcell9 on June 16, 2006, 03:44:35 PM
Post by: shelley on June 16, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
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mean=reactive pearl? why? what happened to solid reactive. new, more intense lobbying for the strike machine to come to the us, begins now.
Solid reactives and particle pearls tend to behave similarly. The pearl in the PP helps it slide in the oil like the lack of particles in the solid reactive does. The lack of pearl in the solid reactive helps it read the midlane like the particle does in the particle pearl. If that makes sense.
Probably a solid reactive Machine would react too much like the particle pearl Machine to justify having both in the lineup right now. A reactive pearl would be different enough to get away with it without having too much overlap.
SH
Post by: tenpinspro on June 16, 2006, 05:05:26 PM
Mean Machine
Fang LS Control
Length - 8
Total Hook - 52
Rg - (14lb) 2.56, (15lb) 2.54, (16lb) 2.52
Differential - .050
Intermediate Diff - .020
Flare - 7"
Finish - Smooth
Reaction shape - Strong flip
Color - Blk/Pearl
60 degree spin time 5.6
Equation
Goo LS Reactive
Rg - (14lb) 2.50, (15lb) 2.48, (16lb) 2.46
Diff - .053
Length - 19
Total Hook - 36
Flare - 6"
Reaction shape: Strong Flip
Finish - Polished
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Edited on 6/17/2006 4:01 AM
Post by: freak761 on June 16, 2006, 05:08:37 PM
Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on June 16, 2006, 05:24:53 PM
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Post by: kayoung08 on June 16, 2006, 06:09:49 PM
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I think you'll find the Fang LS control is the nanotread that was on the Strike Machine
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Post by: freak761 on June 16, 2006, 08:20:08 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on June 16, 2006, 08:30:42 PM
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Well, looks like a Machine lineup for me this next year. Might be moving some other equipment soon....will list balls for sale on here probably starting in July...
John, make sure you buy 14 pounders so that I can use them too them.
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 17, 2006, 04:48:50 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on June 17, 2006, 05:26:46 AM
Are these balls (designs) from the previous honchos, or are these from Del since he came back?
Not saying the balls that came out while Del was gone were bad, it just seems like when he is in charge, balls seem to be what "bowlers" are liiking for.
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Post by: Djarum on June 17, 2006, 08:25:27 AM
I have been waiting for something like the equation for some time. I know we have the arsenal artillary, but the RG is too low for my ball speed and revs.
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Post by: RipARack on June 17, 2006, 08:27:28 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 17, 2006, 09:39:07 AM
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Are these balls (designs) from the previous honchos, or are these from Del since he came back?
These are Del's or at least now approved by Del since he's been reappointed as President of Track.
The Equation is the tri-core w/ flip block like the Heat Blast but now add in the ti-insert/nugget. Looks similar to the core on the Assassin and Money but inverted. However, that core was referred to as Power-Rev Core, not sure if they're exactly the same.
Mean Machine (Robo Core) has been slightly altered to produce an intermediate differential of .020, slightly lower then the Machine but still pretty strong.
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equation.....yummy.
Hey Eric, guys like you and Jon with hand are staring at the Equation....Me?..I need hook dude...give me the Mean Machine!..
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Post by: RipARack on June 17, 2006, 10:32:11 AM
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Post by: 9orbetter on June 17, 2006, 06:41:29 PM
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Post by: Xfest on June 17, 2006, 09:59:14 PM
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Post by: UltimateB9000 on June 17, 2006, 10:57:27 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 18, 2006, 02:50:37 AM
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enlighten this young and worthy grasshopper with your knowledge.
Do not look at the finger.....you must focus on the glorious world around you....(butchering Bruce Lee's opening line of Enter the Dragon, while he slaps the little boy silly for not looking at his opponent while bowing)
I'm not in R&D, I'd like to be though. Typical thought process I'd say is that once you have a successful core that has proven itself again and again, it always dangles in the back of the mind of an engineer/designer to say, "Hey, wonder how that core work in this new cover?". I'd say that's how it starts and then they try making some to see the overall reaction.
My guys and I at the shop are maniacs, they'll try anything once. Layouts, polishing, sanding, different grits, weight holes, you name it. I opened my doors to 4 old ball drillers that used to work in different shops letting them do their own personal equipment there. This actually gives us 5 views on something and it opens my eyes to someone else's opinion. It's good though because much of this is a trial and error game. You can only learn so much from technology and drilling but fine tuning a piece to a player to a particular shot comes with experience and basically just trying it out.
One big lesson for everyone out there, never accept any ball you take out of a shop as if it were written in stone. If you don't like it, change it, change the cover, try a weight hole, try another pattern....anything. Nothing is ever written in stone...keep an open mind that all things can be changed to match up to your game better.
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Post by: Djarum on June 19, 2006, 09:32:28 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on June 19, 2006, 11:04:40 AM
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Is it just me, or is the Equation going to have a similar reaction to the Artillary(Just looking at core specs and such). Is the Equation going to be at the arsenal series price point or more in the heat/solution price point?
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it looks Solution/Heat price point to me, but what i wanted to know where does it say "Mean" in the Mean Machine's logo?
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Post by: Djarum on June 19, 2006, 11:10:06 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on June 19, 2006, 11:11:23 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 19, 2006, 11:51:54 AM
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Is the Equation going to be at the arsenal series price point or more in the heat/solution price point?
From info I have, it should be in the Classic Performance line (Heat/Solution). Our 3rd release will be in the High End Symmetric...
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Post by: Djarum on June 19, 2006, 12:40:09 PM
I am still curios to see how different the equation would be with the same drilling as the Artillary.
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Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on June 19, 2006, 01:24:53 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on June 19, 2006, 04:55:11 PM
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should be plenty different.
Hey dj,
I completely agree with Eric here. I apologize, I failed to give the rg and diff on the Equation, 2.48 and a diff of .053. The Artillery I think is around 2.45 with a .046 diff. By numbers alone, it should be slightly longer with a lot more flare and movement compared to the Artillery. Hope this helps some.....
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Post by: Djarum on June 19, 2006, 05:14:04 PM
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Post by: Buckwild on June 20, 2006, 10:51:48 PM
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Since I throw a bit of Columbia these days as well as Track here is my current arsenal and where the Mean Machine should fit in. You should get the idea
Here is a good comparison to let you know how it compared to others
Length down the lane (all box finish):
Robo rule: 4
Power Driver Sanded: 5
Strike Machine: 7
Machine: 9
Backend Reaction (box finish):
Robo rule: 6
Power Drive Sanded: 6
Strike Machine: 9
Machine: 9.5
Total boards covered
Robo rule: 9
Power Drive Sanded: 8
Strike Machine: 7
Machine: 6
Now based on the new info and some conversations with Del the new Mean Machine should fit in between the Power Drive and the Strike Machine. It will be a Asymmetrical benchmark ball for oil in the 'ROBO CORE' series.
Hope this clears things up.
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This is the Machine's stats:
Machine Specs
Hook Rating 42-34
Length 4.8
Backend 9.7
Core Technology Robo core
Core Power N/A
RG 2.52
Differential 0.052
Determinator Spin Time 5.4
Flare Potential 7
Coverstock Fang LS
Friction Rating N/A
Finish Compound-polish
Polish Magic Shine
Reaction Shape Strong Arc
Lane Condition Medium
How did you get the length as 9 for the Machine?
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Post by: Re-Evolution on June 21, 2006, 01:54:27 AM
He was basing the numbers on his own experience not Track's numbers.
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