I have the Havoc and it is drilled Pin 4" from the PAP under RF and MB 4 1/4" from the PAP. I sanded it to 500 grit with an Abrolon Pad and polished it with 3M Finesse It II and this ball has become a monster. Good length and a very hard angular back end. When it turns to make it's move, it moves. Very versatile and covers a wide range of conditions. Has been the first ball out of my bag for several months now.
As for finding any cheap now, I believe the ones still available are 14# and 16#. The 15's are hard to come by. I recently looked for a month to find a 15# with the Pin Size and specs I wanted. Now due to some health problems causing me to drop to 14#, it is questionable whether I will even get to use it. May put it up for sale later.
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