Author Topic: The truth about the Freak-A-Zoid??? (Read 2435 times)

Ric Clint · « **on:** October 07, 2004, 08:46:02 PM »

By looking at Track's specs of this ball, they gave it a 7 on the backend on a scale of 1-10 which is not all that strong compared to some balls... but BTM Magazine gave it there highest backend rating for which they have given any ball which is a 16.

Track makes it sound like it's a Medium condition ball with a controlled backend, and BTM mag makes it sound like it's a backend monster.

Some have said it's a great BENCHMARK ball... whch leads me to believe that it is truely a milder backending ball than what BTM says.

But, a proshop friend just told me that this ball has got so much backend it's scary... so I don't know what to think???

PSSS...... I need your opinions because I'm wanting to maybe get one as I need a VERY STRONG backending solid reactive that can hande a little bit (not alot, but some) of carrydown... and if the Freak-A-Zoid is not THE ball that will do this, then maybe the Dyno-Thane THE THING LIVES is???

Can anybody make a comparison between these 2 balls?

I'm wanting some to go right between my Heavy Oil ball and my Medium Oil ball... so this ball would be my Medium/Heavy Oil ball and also still turn the corner when the oil carry's down a little bit also.

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2004, 09:14:53 AM »

Ric,

You know by now that one ball can be many things to many people depending on
- how they throw the ball,
- the condition on which they evaluate a ball,
- how they drill the ball, etc, etc.

A benchmark ball does NOT have to be a mild ball. In fact, it sholdn't be. A benchmark ball is one whose use allows the bowler to get his best read of the lanes and how to play them and will tell him very quickly whether he needs a stronger or weaker ball.

Be careful, be VERY careful about taking any review's word as law. BTM is very good because of all the different factors they employ, but you still have to read the words very carefully and you MUST only take them in relation to other ball's evalutions and numbers.

The Roto-Grip SUper Sonic also had that large number for backend, 16. I don't that believe that will be the particular average for every user.

Some balls react better to certain drillings and certain releases on certain oil patterns.

If you're looking for a maximum backend on certain oil handling capacity balls, I'd suggest youlook into asymmetric cores drilled for the most hook. Morich, Track and Storm fall into these categories, as well as some other specific balls from some other companies (Anomaly, Yeah Baby, Oracle, and possibly the new Veolicity.)

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2004, 10:09:46 AM »

Hey Charlest,

Why is it that every time you write a post, I just want to stand up and applaud?

Very well stated Charlest, just to add to this, both my leagues start with pretty heavy oil so my current "benchmark" ball is my Rule. I'll use this to see if I need to go to my sanded Animal or polished Untamed(up/down).

On a personal note, my FreakaZoid is about 10-12 boards less than my Rule, you can see it in the videos. However, just like Charlest states, this is my comparison with my style on that particular condition. Hope this helps explain some...but this is why it's always good to get various feedbacks.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2004, 10:48:26 AM »

quote:
Hey Charlest,

Why is it that every time you write a post, I just want to stand up and applaud?
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop

Because I'm just "full of it"?

But, Thank you.
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"We get old too fast, and too late, smart."

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2004, 10:53:25 AM »

Ric,
I agree totally with charlest and Rick.

If your style allows for snap on the backend, the ball will give you that. I would not afraid to say that the FaZ can snap with the best of them. Ofcourse surface, lane conditions and once again, your style will determine this.

Read my mini review of Freakazoid #1....with that ball I can get unbelieveable backend reaction when I play a cranker style release.

Hope this helps,

-EX-
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Advisory Staff

tenpinspro · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:20:19 AM »

Hey Ric,

One more thing to take in consideration that I feel affects our ball reactions tremendously is the density of oil and or units of oil on any given condition. I know for a fact that my house somehow got extremely black and white(O/U) and every ball came screaming off the dry. Last week I spoke with the head mechanic and now the shot is heavier and blended much better. I no longer get the identical movement with any ball as I did in the videos. Even if a person describes their pattern here in writing, it's hard to say how blk and wht it is and that would affect the strength of the ball when it makes it change of direction. Just something else to think about bud...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2004, 12:21:28 PM »

Ric,

To kind of double up on what Rick said just above, think what happens to your ball reaction, when the oil pattern goes, oh, say, 50 units from 10 to 10 for only 32 feet, with the backends very dry and clean to, say, 30 units of oil but for 45 feet with maybe not clean backends.

In the first case, you'll probably use a strong ball because of the apparently heavy oil in heads, but that "strong" ball will backend like an "ANIMAL" so to speak.

In the 2nd case, you might need to use a milder ball (not necessarily mild), to make sure it clears the heads, but the ball will probably have a small backend both because it's weaker than the first and because the oil is long with not so clean backends.

Addendum:
This also shows why it's so important to not publish a ball review until you've tested it on a large variety of conditions.

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Ric Clint · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2004, 04:00:21 AM »

Thanks!

BigHorhn · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2004, 12:06:55 PM »

I hope Ric Clint doesn't mind me high jacking his thread but, Charlest based on
the last comment you made about the two different lane conditions. I'm presently combating the first one you mentioned exactly.

What ball
would you suggest and how do you think I should drill it. I'm a lefty with medium revs and a High track about two inches from the fingers. I got a monster
bruiser coming for that same conditions but i'll buy a track i'm really not parcel to any ball company. Help me out guys

lilphyzx · « **Reply #9 on:** October 17, 2004, 11:36:27 AM »

Hey guys what do you think, im intersted in what would be a good ball for bighorhn, we bowl together.

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** October 17, 2004, 04:23:30 PM »

quote:
I hope Ric Clint doesn't mind me high jacking his thread but, Charlest based on the last comment you made about the two different lane conditions. I'm presently combating the first one you mentioned exactly.

What ball would you suggest and how do you think I should drill it. I'm a lefty with medium revs and a High track about two inches from the fingers. I got a monster bruiser coming for that same conditions but i'll buy a track i'm really not partial to any ball company. Help me out guys

BigHorhn,

Sorry I missed your request.
Finding the right ball, surface and drilling, unless someone is watching you bowl, is best done with comparisons to what you are using now, how it's drilled, and the results. A bruiser could work depending on which ball is not handling the carrydown.

- What ball are using now,
- how is it reacting,
- how is it drilled and
- have you changed the stock surface at all?

For my carrydown/dirty&oily backends (the clean oil is so short) situation, I am using a medium strong particle pearl (Morich Hercules), highly polished, with a control drilling so it hardly flares at all. This is compared to a milder solid resin ball with a light shine and a mild arc for the short oil with clean backends. It rolls earlier than the polished pearl but hooks less in the backend.

(My solution is hardly typical of this carrydown situation. Normally you might use a normally drilled pearl for light/medium-light oil and then use a polished solid resin drilled slightly stronger to overcome dirty backends/oily carrydown.)

A lot of the choice for which ball(s) and drilling(s) would work for you depends on many interacting factors.

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Edited on 10/17/2004 4:15 PM

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