Author Topic: Number Naming System at Bowl Expo (Read 4298 times)

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **on:** June 27, 2009, 10:33:46 AM »

I just returned home from Las Vegas. Bowl Expo being last week was the perfect chance for me to get a feeling on bowlers' and pro shops' opinion of our new system.

I was pleasantly suprised that no one had anything negative to say about it. I was expecting to hear some negatives and much to my suprise everyone loved it. This was particularly the case once it was explained to them. Some quotes were "simple to understand" and one gentleman even went as far to say that a ball company should have done this sooner.

I am pleased to announce that at the Ebonite International Product Showcase the Track Brand performed extremely well for every style of bowler. The 930t and the 715a just seemed to have the WOW factor for everyone that threw them. Demos normally are not a great sign of how a ball is going to work for a bowler....because they just are not set up off of his/her PAP. These balls worked well for everyone.

If any of you have any questions please let me know.
-Carl
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2009, 08:04:30 PM »

Thats Great to hear. Of the guys I have explained the system to they have all seemed to grasp the concept and everyone loves the color schemes!
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I Flush 8s · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2009, 10:05:07 PM »

i dont get the system

SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2009, 10:43:24 PM »

I Flush 8s,

I'm going to take a stab as I have been told but may explain things differently by accidential mistake and hopefully Billy or Carl can correct me if I am indeed wrong...

Take the 505C Ball, the "05" stands for the intermediate differential of the ball and the letter "C" stands for "controllable reaction". The first number "5" stands for 500 series which is mid-performance

The 715A Ball, you have the "15" standing for the intermediate differential and the letter "A" stands for "angular reaction". The number "7" stands for 700 series which is mid-performance plus.

Finally, the 930T, the "30" stands for an astounding .030 intermediate differential and the letter "T" stands for "Traction". Then the number "9" stands for 900 series, which is Track's new high performance category. Plus with the "MICA" additive I believe is a low load of particle...again, hope I'm not mistaken with this...if so, please correct me...if this is the right way, then hopefully this makes it easier to understand for you dude...

Thanks and God Bless!

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Edited on 6/27/2009 10:46 PM

Juggernaut · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2009, 11:08:36 PM »

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i dont get the system

Actually, it is pretty simple. Each ball will have a "name" consisting of three numerals and a letter.

The first numeral will give you the price/performance level at which the ball is targetted. There will be three different levels, one starting with a 9, one starting with a 7, and one starting with a 5.

The two numerals that come next in the "name" will tell you the strength of the cores differential, which translates into flare potential. These ratings could be could be anywhere from 00 to 60 ( as .060 is the maximum allowable differential by U.S.B.C. rules ).

Next, we have a series of three letters. These letters are intended to denote the type of reaction the ball is built for. "C" denotes a control type reaction, "A" denotes an angular type reaction, and "T" denotes a higher traction type reaction.

To "name" a ball, you decide what level it is on, either 9, 7, or 5. Then you figure the cores differential strength ( from 00 to 60 ), then what type of reaction you want from the cover.

Using this system will allow you to quickly, accurately, and thouroughly compare all balls within the TRACK line of equipment.

A few examples would be, take the 505C for instance. The first 5 in the number tells me that it is a lower level ball. The next two digits (05) tell me the cores differential is .005, so it has a lower flare potential, and the letter C tells me it has a control type reaction. All these tell me that this is a ball that would be good on drier, spotty conditions because it will probably be very predictable.

This system allows for 540 permutations (3X60)X3=540. The only problem that I can see is, what if they design a second ball intended for a specific series that, even though the beginning and ending rg values are different, ends up with the same differential numbers as a ball already used ( I.E. two balls, one starting at 2.43 and another starting at 2.53, ending up with the first one at 2.60 max and the other ending at 2.70 max. You end up with two different balls with two different sets of numbers and characteristics, yet your naming system has them both named the EXACT SAME THING.?
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SleepOnIce · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2009, 05:18:29 AM »

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The second number is the MB strength (or intermediate differential), not the actual RG differential. Outside of that, everything else is spot on.
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Edited on 6/28/2009 7:08 AM

neverbackdown_x7x · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2009, 07:42:43 AM »

quote:
Finally, the 930T, the "30" stands for an astounding .030 intermediate differential and the letter "T" stands for "Traction". Then the number "9" stands for 900 series, which is Track's new high performance category. Plus with the "MICA" additive I believe is a low load of particle...again, hope I'm not mistaken with this...if so, please correct me...if this is the right way, then hopefully this makes it easier to understand for you dude...

I believe you're right about the MICA additive being a low load particle. Track has used it on their balls in the past. Here's an article that explains Mica in detail.

http://hsmproducts.com/BTMArticle.aspx

Juggernaut · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2009, 02:12:15 PM »

quote:
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The second number is the MB strength (or intermediate differential), not the actual RG differential. Outside of that, everything else is spot on.
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Edited on 6/28/2009 7:08 AM

O.K., your correction is duly noted. The Rg differential value is the difference between the x-axis and the y-axis, while the intermediate differential is the difference between the y-axis and the z-axis, correct?

So I ask, is there a limit on the intermediate differential, or can it be unlimited?
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SleepOnIce · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2009, 04:56:30 PM »

Correct, the intermediate RG is the difference between the Y and Z axis. However, I'm not sure on if there is a cap on the MB strength/what that cap would be. I'm searching now, and if I find it I'll either edit it into this post or PM you.

edit: bad word choice
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Edited on 6/28/2009 5:08 PM

Juggernaut · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2009, 09:36:11 PM »

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Correct, the intermediate RG is the difference between the Y and Z axis. However, I'm not sure on if there is a cap on the MB strength/what that cap would be. I'm searching now, and if I find it I'll either edit it into this post or PM you.

edit: bad word choice
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Edited on 6/28/2009 5:08 PM

I looked for a while, but I was not able to find a definitive number for the maximum allowable intermediate differential either.

I understand that asymmetry allows shifting of the cores mass away from the x-axis of the ball, allowing the ball to have a higher intermediate differential between the y-axis and z-axis. What I am now wondering is, does this mean that the initial differential( X-axis to Y-axis ) + the intermediate differential( Y-axis to Z-axis) have to = .060 or less, or does the total allowable rg differential of .060 have no bearing upon these numbers?

If the two differential readings, when added together, have to be .060 or less, that in itself limits the amount of intermediate differential you could possibly have in any ball. As an example I use arbitrary amounts:

I.E.
.028+.032=.060 with an intermediate differential of .032
.025+.035=.060 with an intermediate differential of .035

Is this correct? If so, working with percentages, it is easy to see how this could QUICKLY change the characteristics of a ball and how it would transition.

While a reading of .032 gives you just over 53% of the balls differential as intermediate, a reading of .035 gives you just over 58%, a difference of 5%.

Going just a bit farther, and using the values of .020(33.3%) and .040(66.6%) to get the .060, it is plain to see the cores intermediate differential would be TWICE as strong as initial differential, allowing the ball to be mild up front and wild in the backends.

ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE MERELY EXTRAPOLATIONS BASED ON A PRESUMPTION OF THE INITIAL DIFFERENTIAL AND INTERMEDIATE DIFFERENTIAL HAVING TO TOTAL .060 OR LESS AND MAY BE TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO REALITY.

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SleepOnIce · « **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:32:28 AM »

It doesn't have to add up to less than .06, because the uprising had a differential of .048 with an intermediate diff of around .035. But it could be like you said and be .013 from x axis to z axis, then .035 from z axis to y axis.

Hopefully someone in the Track tech department will jump in here, but I'll email them anyway.
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Edited on 6/29/2009 8:32 AM

SKIDSNAP · « **Reply #11 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:57:08 AM »

WOW it's a technical circle jerk....

SleepOnIce · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2009, 09:19:00 AM »

Sorry that you weren't invited, I know you like to watch.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #13 on:** June 29, 2009, 01:57:24 PM »

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WOW it's a technical circle jerk....

No, not really. What we've been talking about SO FAR are pretty basic.

The reason I was going into a bit of detail about the intermediate differential is my curiosity of TRACK's new "naming" system and the possibility of having two VERY different balls end up with the same "name".

And yes, I realize that they could SLIGHTLY alter something to prevent this from happening, just wondered if it was possible for it to happen.

You know what I mean? Like having two balls in the 7 series using the same cover reaction, but having totally different cores which accidentally end up with the same intermediate differential number, even though they had different starting and ending points. That's going to give you two totally different balls that end up with the same "name", isn't it?

Sorry if it's over your head. If you can't understand, perhaps you could be our pivot man.

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dR3w · « **Reply #14 on:** June 29, 2009, 02:04:16 PM »

If I recall, at one time the Mo-Rich posters had noted that an intermediate differential greater than 0.035 caused the ball to start having some unusual behavior. Thus the limit may be from a standpoint of usefulness rather than having to limit it to prevent it from hooking too much, such as in the case of the "normal" differential limit of 0.06.
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