Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 23, 2007, 03:22:52 PM
The Temper, Kinetic and Rising all have their place. I think the versatility of the Rising is going to shock alot of people. The strength of the breakpoint on the Kinetic is mind boggling! You have to see it to believe it. The Temper is a benchmark type ball. Those of you that liked the Havoc should end up liking this ball....it is rolls like the Havoc but retains energy down lane better.
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Post by: ElectricLeftSlider on July 24, 2007, 03:43:07 AM
Post by: williewc on July 24, 2007, 03:57:40 AM
probably wont even get the Temper, no need for it really
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Post by: Metal_rules on July 24, 2007, 07:36:21 AM
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on July 24, 2007, 08:25:21 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 24, 2007, 09:21:11 AM
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Carl, when Ebonite first came out with the original "One", I saw some of those balls break like that even for weak release bowlers. Is the breakpoint on the Kinetic anything like the original One was?
In comparison, not taking anything away from the One (very good ball by Ebonite), our Kinetic can handle more oil and offers more overall movement with a very strong backend reaction.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 24, 2007, 09:50:43 AM
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The Rising is closest to __________ from the old line.
Ans: Nothing we've ever had...
I had asked Del several times for a strong resin for heavy oil but we were working more with particles then. When I got to Kentucky, R&D already had this designed and I thanked them so much for it. I've felt for over a year now that we needed a strong dull solid resin piece in our line.Okay I'll try, imagine the oil handling of more then a Robo Rule but with even greater continuation....how's that for "wow".
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Post by: Traumabill on July 24, 2007, 11:04:52 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 24, 2007, 12:01:12 PM
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But will the Kinetic replace anything in my current arsenal like my Power Machine or Equation?
All of you that have been around here for awhile know how much I really liked the Power Machine....primarily due to its ability to recover from almost anywhere. The Kinetic is stronger at the breakpoint. I think it can replace the Equation and the Power....depending on layout.
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Carl, when Ebonite first came out with the original "One", I saw some of those balls break like that even for weak release bowlers. Is the breakpoint on the Kinetic anything like the original One was?
With all do respect to The One....the Kinetic is stronger and more angular. The way it reads the breakpoint is unlike anything I have seen.
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Though not anywhere close in core design to the Animal, but I know some people like Chitown were wanting an Animal with a reactive coverstock. Their prayers finally answered in the form of the Rising, huh Prez?
This is probably a good comparison because this ball can roll like the Animal but retain energy better. I like Rick's statement about the Robo. The drilling options on the Rising will make it much more versatile than the Animal. The Animal was a big favorite of mine....but the Rising will be much more playable on different surfaces.
So far the Kinetic and Rising are getting all of the "air time", the tag team feels the same way about the new stuff.
-Carl
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Post by: dw23 on July 24, 2007, 12:12:17 PM
I must admit it doesn't feel right throwing something other than Track. I hope the new stuff works out so I can come back to Track with a full arsenal.
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on July 24, 2007, 12:58:14 PM
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on July 24, 2007, 01:17:49 PM
One question...
if (Heaven forbid
) Ebonite decides to conform to 'pin-in' balls, what type of drill would yield the reaction I'm accustomed to?One more thing... the Kinetic being the 'upper-tier' ball, will the cost be around 'Lane #1/LaneMasters' pricing? (i.e. having 'Action Jackson - Lane #1 flashbacks ...
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Post by: astroboy on July 24, 2007, 11:38:38 PM
Post by: Xfest on July 25, 2007, 06:14:52 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on July 25, 2007, 08:49:19 AM
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One question...
if (Heaven forbid ) Ebonite decides to conform to 'pin-in' balls, what type of drill would yield the reaction I'm accustomed to?
Big Daddy,
Having an intermediate differential of .031 has tremendous influence on reaction shape even with the pin in palm drill.
When we drilled Carl's Rising in Tennessee (I helped lay that out with Fig and knowing Carl's game), I kept the mass bias in a long and strong position and it did exactly that. Carl's piece still moved strongly on the backend out there and he says it moves even more at home (we were on a flat pattern 39-40 double oil). Carl then moved over to the 39-40 ft flat single oil pair out there and just had the whole lane, very impressive. So no worries here...
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One more thing... the Kinetic being the 'upper-tier' ball, will the cost be around 'Lane #1/LaneMasters' pricing? (i.e. having 'Action Jackson - Lane #1 flashbacks ... )
That's another incredible thing about this ball. The Kinetic is in our mid upper category which means it should cost less than a high end piece. Any bowler will truly feel they're getting their money's worth once they see the reaction and hitting power of this piece.
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Though not anywhere close in core design to the Animal, but I know some people like Chitown were wanting an Animal with a reactive coverstock. Their prayers finally answered in the form of the Rising, huh Prez?
I'd say that would've been a little different still. The Animal (even with its particle cover) went fairly long and had quite a bit of axis retention by design. I had to suggest to others here and even sanded mine to 400-500 just to get it to hook in true oil.
The Rising at 4000 moved....and moved well in heavy oil.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on July 25, 2007, 08:54:50 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 25, 2007, 12:47:58 PM
The Temper is not being underrated.....simply put the Kinetic and Rising caught more people's attention at the product showcase. It seemed like they worked for all styles very well. The Temper is a good piece, view it as a benchmark type ball.
Think of equipment in the past: Ebonite's V2, Track's Havoc.....essentially these were strong benchmark type balls (and both of them did well if I might add), that did not get alot of notice. The type of ball reaction you saw out of those is the type of ball reaction you will see out of the Temper.
-Carl
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Youngstown Ohio (West Side Lanes)
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Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 25, 2007, 05:13:23 PM
I also may have to pull in a Kinetic. From what I'm seeing, it appears to be a steroid-infused version of the Power Machine(but who's to say that the PM isn't on steroids itself hmmm? lol)
This upcoming fall season is looking to be quite an interesting one!
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