Author Topic: Ok I give....508A versus the 811 SE the difference? (Read 9326 times)

LuckyLefty · « **on:** March 26, 2012, 11:24:04 PM »

Okay....I give!

Both with a variation of the legion core, both pearl!

Which one or both is supposed to be an improved version of the 607ASE?

Regards,

Luckylefty

It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

Edited by LuckyLefty on 3/26/2012 at 9:39 PM

jls · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2012, 04:07:24 PM »

Sir, the 811A is a good piece of equipment...

What I meant sir was this...Most balls are not jumping off the shelf...Very few are what I would

call "big time sellers"

Did not mean the 811A was not selling because of poor performance...Meant like many models

out there, slow sales due to the economy...and the fact that there are way too many balls on the market...

Now feel good about your 811A...

PLM wrote on 3/28/2012 1:37 PM:I'm sorry to hear the 811A is having some sales problems. It is the first Track ball I have owned, and I really am liking it.

My apology sir... I did not do a good job explaining what I meant by slow sales...

jls

Curt_Dupre · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2012, 04:57:06 PM »

Dude would you stop calling me slick Willie. Your childish antics are really stupid. Did you watch the shark championship this year? Then you would have seen fagan throwing that on the show. It is suppose to be your job as a proshop guy to tell your customers, that the 811a is a good ball. The reason mike throws it at spares, is because he NEVER uses a plastic ball. He throws whatever he can at spares. It's really not that hard to do. But I'm not as biased as you believe I am. I am giving an honest answer to the 811A as being yhe most angular ball Track makes. You make such a big deal out of Fagan throwing it as his spare ball. Grow up.

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jls · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2012, 05:50:44 PM »

"Sir, the 811A is a good piece of equipment"...

This quote was in several of my post...Reading is a skill, get some...

What you seem to be missing here is this... Not every bowler who buys a HP ball is a Mr. 220...

Like I said, IMO most pros as well as high average league bowlers can probably pick up the 10 pin using their

strike ball...Even I can...

However for a number of years now...Most pros on TV USE PLASTIC...And the ball makers push plastic

on house bowlers as a way to pick up their 10 pins...And have sold BOO KOO numbers of plastic balls as

a result of this...

So seeing a skilled bowler using a companies latest HP ball being used as a spare ball tends to confuse people

and leads them to think that said ball may not be so angular...

As I posted, all of the customers in my shop that saw that had a negative view of said ball...

Now as for your childish third grader remark of "grow up"

Gag me with a spoon...You are a typical bias staffer...Two months from now you will be hawking the next

"A" ball, and the 811A will be downgraded...cause it won't hook as much or be as angular... Now don't

deny that we don't see this on this site ALL THE TIME...

You see, there are only 39 boards on the lanes... So there is only so much hook...Unless of course you hype up LaneOne, then there are an extra 5 boards...

"grow up" "Laughing in your face" you love to fling insults... Even when one is pointing out the truth...

I'll bet if we go back a few years and read your post on the 715A...It will be "Extremely angular" ...

Until the 718A came out... etc etc etc...

now

are we clear

Curt_Dupre wrote on 3/28/2012 2:57 PM: Dude would you stop calling me slick Willie. Your childish antics are really stupid. Did you watch the shark championship this year? Then you would have seen fagan throwing that on the show. It is suppose to be your job as a proshop guy to tell your customers, that the 811a is a good ball. The reason mike throws it at spares, is because he NEVER uses a plastic ball. He throws whatever he can at spares. It's really not that hard to do. But I'm not as biased as you believe I am. I am giving an honest answer to the 811A as being yhe most angular ball Track makes. You make such a big deal out of Fagan throwing it as his spare ball. Grow up.
Well now, if it's soooo easy, then why, why do MOST pro's use plastic...
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Funny on my HDTV I see MOST Pro's using plastic...Now if it is soooo darn easy, then why do they
use plastic....Is it so their ball makers can sell more plastic balls...

jls

ccrider · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2012, 06:04:07 PM »

For sure, the 811A is the most angular spare ball that Track makes.

Curt_Dupre wrote on 3/28/2012 2:57 PM:Dude would you stop calling me slick Willie. Your childish antics are really stupid. Did you watch the shark championship this year? Then you would have seen fagan throwing that on the show. It is suppose to be your job as a proshop guy to tell your customers, that the 811a is a good ball. The reason mike throws it at spares, is because he NEVER uses a plastic ball. He throws whatever he can at spares. It's really not that hard to do. But I'm not as biased as you believe I am. I am giving an honest answer to the 811A as being yhe most angular ball Track makes. You make such a big deal out of Fagan throwing it as his spare ball. Grow up.

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jls · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2012, 06:22:03 PM »

Sir, since I can't use Willie anymore...oops

It's all about IMAGE...These pros all are working for the ball companies...

That's why they wear the shirts that say. Track, Ebonite, Hammer, Columbia, Storm etc...

Let me give you an example...

A few years ago the USGA banned wedges with U-Groves on Tour...

Now certain wedges made in the 70's were "grandfather in" and acceptable to use...

Phil Michelson decided to use his "grandfather" ping wedge on tour... Even tho he

was working for Calaway...

That sir, did not go over well with MOST PGA PROS, and I'll bet Calaway wasn't too happy

either...

Why you ask....Well what message did that send to their customers...

"Our best player does not want to use our newest $119 wedges on tour...He prefers to use

his pre 1979 Ping wedge"...

Now sir, that could lead people to believe that the $119 Calaway wedges are NO GOOD...

Cause if they were, they Phil would be using them instead of 31 year old grandfather Ping

wedges...

Now I know this will be hard for you to comprehend... But try...

It was a Bad message to send, and in a few weeks, Phil stopped using them and went back

to Calaway wedges...NOW I WONDER WHY...

The point now as it was before...

If people see a HP ball being use as a 10 pin ball, they may think said ball is not that good...

Unlike you, I am concerned about the image of the 811A...

The truth hurts,

Now I'm sure you will come back with "laughing in your face" or "grow Up" type remarks...

btw, how is the third grade...oops

still clear

Curt_Dupre wrote on 3/28/2012 2:57 PM: Dude would you stop calling me slick Willie. Your childish antics are really stupid. Did you watch the shark championship this year? Then you would have seen fagan throwing that on the show. It is suppose to be your job as a proshop guy to tell your customers, that the 811a is a good ball. The reason mike throws it at spares, is because he NEVER uses a plastic ball. He throws whatever he can at spares. It's really not that hard to do. But I'm not as biased as you believe I am. I am giving an honest answer to the 811A as being yhe most angular ball Track makes. You make such a big deal out of Fagan throwing it as his spare ball. Grow up.

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Curt_Dupre · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:30:52 PM »

Please tell me what proshop you work for, because you are the reason bowling is declining. What's funny is I wasn't on staff with Track when the 715A came out. But I give my honest opinion on everything. Also I can say the the 811A is our most angular ball, because it is the cleanest cover through the front part of the lane out of all of our numbered series. I am a PBA member, regional champion, and Track staffer. Numerous people respect my opinion because I do not lie. I have been bowling since I was born. To be made fun of by you sitting behind you computer is ridiculous. Just stay out of the Track forums. You are truly nothing but a troll.

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jls · « **Reply #22 on:** March 29, 2012, 11:54:37 AM »

When you learn to read, you will see that NO WHERE did I knock the performance of the

811A...My comments were and are all about the image the consumer gets when said consumer

sees a HP ball being used on the Tour telecast as a spare ball...

No I am not the reason, it's people like you....The Mr. 220 no it all's who are driving the

average bowler away from the game...

EXAMPLE..

Bowlers in their 40's and 50's and 60's can no longer compete with the young guns of today...So it is

foolish for them to get in pots...And therefore since they know they had chance to win a pot,

bowling becomes very expensive for them...

25-30 to bowl, 6-8 to get in Hdcp. pot, 10 to get in doubles, etc etc...and then there is the cost

of beer...So a nite of bowling becomes a 50-60-70 expense...And since they can win few pots,

they quit bowling...

And these are the same people who buy balls...This may come as a shock to you, but Mr 187,

179, 195 also buy HP balls...And they read up on said balls...And they don't understand all the hype...

So when they read "ANGULAR" they have a problem when they see said ball being used as

a 10 pin ball....

Sure "laughing in your face" pro's can thru a kill shot, heck most house bowlers can...

But for years now...The Pro's have used spare balls...And the ball companies sold

boo koo plastic balls as a result of this...

I laid out example after example... But since you have NO READING SKILLS, they went right over

your head...All you can do is come back with insults...

Recently I discussed this very same issue with a VP of a certain ball company...It's called

marketing a product...

Now take your "reason for declining" and stick it...

You are a typical bias staffer...

About 70 percent of bowlers who buy HP balls average under 200...

And these are the bowlers who are leaving the game...

And that is why the game is declining...

Now take a class in reading...It's a skill, get some...

Curt_Dupre wrote on 3/28/2012 5:30 PM:Please tell me what proshop you work for, because you are the reason bowling is declining. What's funny is I wasn't on staff with Track when the 715A came out. But I give my honest opinion on everything. Also I can say the the 811A is our most angular ball, because it is the cleanest cover through the front part of the lane out of all of our numbered series. I am a PBA member, regional champion, and Track staffer. Numerous people respect my opinion because I do not lie. I have been bowling since I was born. To be made fun of by you sitting behind you computer is ridiculous. Just stay out of the Track forums. You are truly nothing but a troll.<<<<
A typical little geek remark from the third grade...

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HankScorpio · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:00:30 PM »

And now I remember why I stopped coming to this website.

littlegreycat · « **Reply #24 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:42:32 PM »

HankScorpio wrote on 3/29/2012 10:00 AM:And now I remember why I stopped coming to this website.

jls · « **Reply #25 on:** March 29, 2012, 12:53:06 PM »

Please, such a typical response...

You are also clueless as to what this is all about...

So let me bore you and your friend Curt...

At 9:14 this morning, a customer called and asked if we have the Frantic...Yes we do...So at 10:01

said customer came in to buy said ball...Yes since we are a REAL pro shop we are open more

than 5-8 at nite...

While fitting the customer to said ball, the subject came up as why he wanted said ball...

Now you're going to get a kick out of this...He saw Pete Weber using said ball to WIN the

US OPEN...And Pete used it as a strike ball...Not a spare ball...

Now to date...NO ONE has come in to our shop and asked if we have the 811A spare ball that

Fagen used... I wonder why...

Now I'm sure you and Curt are totally confused...It's called marketing a product...

Storm and Ebonite pay pro's to wear those shirts that say Storm or Ebonite or Track or Hammer or

Columbia etc etc...and they also pay them to use their HP balls...And when said pro uses said

HP ball on TV, CONSUMERS SEE THAT, AND TEND TO BUY SAID BALLS...

Am I going to fast for you...

Consumers are not TURNED ON BY $200 HP balls being used as spare balls...

Now of course "laughing in your face" Fagen or Duke can use any of their strike balls and kill it

to pick up the 10 pin...Heck, even my wife can...

But IMO...The ball companies would PREFER that the pro's throw their HP balls at the pocket...

Kinda sorta like Weber did when winning the US OPEN...And IMO they would prefer their Pro's

to throw their plastic balls at the 10 pin, like Weber did...

It;s called marketing...

Now I laid out several examples of this, but your friend CURT ignores them or simply can't

address them...So he just replies with 3rd grade insults...

And then you come on with a typical geek response...

move along

HankScorpio wrote on 3/29/2012 10:00 AM:And now I remember why I stopped coming to this website.

jls

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #26 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:23:44 PM »

Hmmm,

I'd like to say I really enjoyed Curt DuPre's response to my post and appreciate his offer of help and comments.

I also agree with JLS comments on what seeing a strike ball used for 10 pins not being a great marketing statement on a ball being a strike ball, though I believe the message is being delivered a bit more harshly than it probably should be.

.I use my strike balls for spares a lot know becuase my anatomy makes it very difficult for me to back up a ball, so if I can straiten out a fingertip strike ball it makes it easy when I switch to my Plastic.

Note, If I ever wanted to lose a match I would use my 900 Global Bounty Hunter or my Virtual Gravity to throw at 7 pins. The highly reactive coverstocks make it so hard for me I would dramatically decrease my percentage on those tough corner pin spares for me!

I wish I still new how to block any more comments on this thread.

I am going to a demo day soon for Ebonite and I am excited to try at least the 508A! Yeah!

REgards,

Luckylefty

It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

AlBundy33 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:27:49 PM »

All I'm going say is that I had no trouble throwing my 716T at the very few 10-pins that I left the other night.......JLS I don't see what the big deal is. Unless your entire customer base consist of "know nothings" when it comes to bowling.

"Pretty women make us buy beer, ugly women make us drink beer"

Curt_Dupre · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2012, 02:39:08 PM »

I am glad I could help Lefty. JLS considering the proshop I work at is open 11-9 everyday, I would consider it a real proshop. I don't need to get into a pissing contest with you. Just keep telling your customers that a ball is bad because a pro uses it sometimes as a spare ball. Things like this make me wonder how bowling has made it through times. I will say one last thing, if I were to go to a golf pro shop, I would ask the operator HIS or HER opinion about golf clubs, etc. You know why? Because they are the experts not me. When did EVERYONE become experts in bowling?

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jls · « **Reply #29 on:** March 29, 2012, 03:45:17 PM »

Once again Curt... Why don't you show ALL exactly where I ever said the 811A wasn't a good

ball... As Lefty pointed out...Seeing it used a 10 pin ball could indeed send the wrong message to

consumers...That and that only was my point...

I saw first hand very negative reactions from customer's who saw the ball being used as a10 pin ball..

Not every customer is a skilled bowler...About 70% average under 200...And they are influence by what they

read online or may see on TV...So for some they may not fully understand all the reasons a pro might use a

HP ball as a spare ball...Get off your high horse already Mr 220...Their are a lot of Mr 185's out there bowling

and buying HP balls...

And when they see Track's most angular ball being used as a 10 pin ball...They may indeed get the wrong

impression of said ball...

For the life of me I can't understand why you can't understand that...

Companies spend millions on advertising...IMO I don't believe any company would want to see their

newest most "angular" HP ball being used as a 10 pin ball...

Now I'm sure Jason and Pete can use anything to pick up the 10 pin...But I see them using Plastic...

Now Please go back thru all of my post and show all of your friends where I said the 811A was a bad ball...

Cause I never did...

But you won't cause all you know how to do is run your mouth and make 3rd grade insults...

Reading is a skill, now get some...

Now you and your 2 friends can have the final word...

I'm going golfing...I will be using the new R-11S driver to hit my tee shots with...Not to putt with...

But I'm sure most pro's on Taylor's staff can putt with their driver... But don't...

Curt_Dupre wrote on 3/29/2012 12:39 PM:I am glad I could help Lefty. JLS considering the proshop I work at is open 11-9 everyday, I would consider it a real proshop. I don't need to get into a pissing contest with you. Just keep telling your customers that a ball is bad because a pro uses it sometimes as a spare ball. Things like this make me wonder how bowling has made it through times. I will say one last thing, if I were to go to a golf pro shop, I would ask the operator HIS or HER opinion about golf clubs, etc. You know why? Because they are the experts not me. When did EVERYONE become experts in bowling?

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jls · « **Reply #30 on:** March 29, 2012, 03:47:28 PM »

LuckyLefty wrote on 3/29/2012 11:23 AM:Hmmm,

I'd like to say I really enjoyed Curt DuPre's response to my post and appreciate his offer of help and comments.

I also agree with JLS comments on what seeing a strike ball used for 10 pins not being a great marketing statement on a ball being a strike ball, though I believe the message is being delivered a bit more harshly than it probably should be.

Thank you Sir... that was the point I was trying to make...

.I use my strike balls for spares a lot know becuase my anatomy makes it very difficult for me to back up a ball, so if I can straiten out a fingertip strike ball it makes it easy when I switch to my Plastic.

Note, If I ever wanted to lose a match I would use my 900 Global Bounty Hunter or my Virtual Gravity to throw at 7 pins. The highly reactive coverstocks make it so hard for me I would dramatically decrease my percentage on those tough corner pin spares for me!

REgards,

Luckylefty

It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

jls

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