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clintdaley

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Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« on: October 11, 2005, 01:50:45 PM »
I went in to the alleys early so I could throw a few games(wanted to test my shoulder,it has been hurting for a while when I twist it certain ways and I am starting to get a cold) so I had no expectations going in. When I got there, they were just starting to oil the lanes for league. I jumped on a pair, and when he got to me, I asked if he could throw the THS on the left lane and the Friday Night Scratch CLassic league shot on the right lane. He said sure, just remind me to reoil the lanes before league! I went upstairs and grabbed the Delta and the GP2 which is drilled identical to it, both with factory surface. Here is the drills, in essence, almost a 5x3 for me. Supposedly, the Scratch league shot has a thicker volume of oil, more tapered outside (5-5 vs the 10-10 on the THS) and a longer pattern, although no buff at the end vs the buff on the THS shot.

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I started on the right lane (Scratch shot) with the GP2. Was standing on 16 playing around 12 at the arrows...ball made a nice move to the pocket and was crushing the pins. After 3 or 4 solid shots in a row, I took out the Delta, stood and hit the same spot. You could tell the Delta was laboring in the oil but still made a GREAT move at the backend, but kept hanging 10s...it was just a smidge too late. Moved 2 and 1, and crushed the pocket all day.

Moved to the left lane, which was the THS shot...hadn't bowled ont he fresh THS shot in a long time (only bowl the scratch league at my home house, and is my only league this year). Took my GP2 back out, stood where I stood on the right lane, and actually crushed the pocket playing the same line....and I repeated the shot....I was sort of dumbfounded honestly! I figured it would A) Go high or brooklyn or B)Roll out from the less oil. But I couldn't tell yet. I then picked out the Delta, stood the same place as the GP2 and HOLY SMOKES....the Delta went SUPER HIGH shot after shot. I then moved 3 and 3 and finally got it to the pocket, but left a 4 pin. I moved 1 more with my feet and that was the trick! Crushed the pocket and was outhooking the GP2 by 4 boards EASILY!

Conclusion: While the GP2 gave me a consistant shot from pattern to pattern, the Delta was able to show me the true difference in the lanes. It hooked on the lighter stuff and labored on the heavier stuff. The GP2 was burning early on the left lane, but you would have NEVER known it if you didn't have another ball to test it against. I proved to myself and the guys working that there really was a difference in reactions the lane can give you just based on the pattern, and that the GP2 REQUIRES higher volumes of oil for it to properly work!

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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2005, 09:18:53 AM »
Hey nice comparisons there Clint. It's nice to be chums with the lane maintenance guy eh? Hehe. I like how you were able to play on two different shots on two different lanes with the Delta & GP2.

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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 10:27:13 AM »
Great post Clint.  This is exactly what a lot of bowlers don't understand about particle equipment for heavy oil.  Sometimes it's very difficult to tell the ball is burning up.  This is also a great example of why a bowler who wants to be competitive needs more than one ball.
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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2005, 12:03:38 PM »
Clint, you havent by chance compared the Arsenal Reactive and the Artsenal aggressive to each other have you? Has anyone else done this AB comaprision?

BTW, great thread Clint!!! It is very informative!!!
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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2005, 02:01:13 PM »
it must be nice to be able to ask for a specific lane condition and get an affirmative response.  i ask that at any of the centers around where i live and all i get is either a blank stare or a dirty look and sarcastic answer.

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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 05:31:43 PM »
Excellent comparison and analysis. I haven't seen anyone throw either ball in my area, probably due to the fact that they've shortened the regular house shot in my local house by 2 feet and I think there's less oil in the middle. I haven't had to use my Animal all year long but this helps me when it comes time to get another heavy oiler which one I will be getting (the GP2...).

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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2005, 04:21:11 AM »
Great comparison Clint, this type of info is really helpful to the bowlers out there, good job.
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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2005, 04:43:13 AM »
While the comparison is great (Thanks, Clint!), I wonder
if what you saw was an actual difference in the balls ???
OR
the house shot hiding the difference with the GP2 ???
OR
your accidentally hitting just the right amount of controlled burn in the heads & midlane for the GP2's highish RG core and the cover to provide the needed amount of hit at the pocket ???

In other words, was it a difference or were you lucky enough to find the right amount of friction at the right area for your release with that GP2?

I think only more testing will show what it was. I just wonder ...

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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2005, 06:56:58 AM »
Charles, I really do believe it was the shot...as you know my track record (pun intended) with the GP2s....with all of the drills and all of them I have had, I know it like the back of my hand.

And yes, it was part of the patterns as the THS was making the GP2 burn early while the Delta was retaining its energy later....but the THS, being drier and not as long, gave it more time to recover than the Classic league shot would...but I was able to play the exact same line from lane to lane. I was amazed myself, as stated in the post.

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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2005, 01:12:45 PM »
Clint do you think that will work for me? I just traded a buddie my Aggressive for his GP2, and I'm looking to use it on a long heavy condition with not much backend. I was thinking of something more like this

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Pin #, CG @, M mass bias. Thanks

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Re: Did a test with the GP2 and Delta tonight!
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2005, 01:29:21 PM »
That will give you a very strong overall reaction. In general, without getting into pin to pap and mass bias to pap measurements, it is not the earliest rolling drill (mass bias on VAL is) it still very strong. If you are putting these in your leverage position, you should have a very strong reaction.

owever, as I mentioned earlier, if you are on a heavy pattern, and you need the ball to get rolling, I would suggest putting the mass bias on/near the VAL....it will make the core roll early and help get up to the pocket...if you are on a true heavy shot. I would also keep the pin at finger line level and below...the lower the pin, it shortens the core and makes it roll quicker. The higher up the pin, the taller the core and the later it rolls.

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