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FastTracker33

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Phoenix
« on: January 15, 2007, 02:36:43 AM »
I'm dying to here some info on this ball!! Anyone know the release date yet? I think it was said by Phil in another thread but i forget what he said.. any info or release date yet!?!
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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2007, 08:26:25 AM »
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Chitown, wasn't that with Del in charge? Now that Phil is running things maybe your dream ball has a chance....

Mike C



Yes this was my dream ball.  I did send them a bunch of e-mails about it when Del was there.  The ball was not going to get made.

I sent Phil an e-mail about this very same topic a while ago.  He didn't rule it out but said that for now Track was going to focus on new designs and what not.

I told him about the Animal core in a reactive cover.  I said this would be the biggest selling ball of the year.  I still believe that.  

When I contacted Track about this ball when Del was running it I got nothing but excuses on how the ball would be too over/under.  They told me that the core was too strong to be used with a reactive cover.  yet they come out with the Delta 1 which had a very strong core.  It was a load of BS.

I eventually went to throwing Hammers.

Sometimes these top level company guys make dumb moves.  Why not listen to the bowlers who buy the balls?


How many of you guys would like to see the ANIMAL core in a reactive cover?  I would buy a few of them.
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Why in the world would any CEO listen to what one person would buy? They will never do that, and shouldn't. Just because YOU think they should make it does not mean that it would be profitable.

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2007, 08:28:57 AM »
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Pheonix is kind of an odd name for something with a Soaker type cover isn't it ?

Should have named the Inertia the Pheonix instead, since its the right color scheme for the name.  If its a "soaker" they should have named it Neptune or Posiden or something.

It hope its green and blue.

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The Pheonix bird is made of fire... So I'm pretty sure is gunna be RED.
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splendorlex

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2007, 09:18:06 AM »
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Sounds to me if thats the case. Might as well rename track to dynothane.

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More like Dyno was already almost Track. Look at a lot of the core designs for Dyno. The Vendetta series used the Elite/Hex/Crunch Time core, The Anomoly/ Thing core is a modified Heat Tri Core, etc etc etc. Phil knows what works, and that's what he's going to do. I can't wait for the new weightblock, and if this is a Soaker shootoff, more power to us!

Jeremy


Wait a sec, didn't Phil start out at Track, and design at least the core used in the vendetta?  Heck, didn't Phil FOUND Track??!?I could be wrong, but I thought he did!
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charlest

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2007, 09:41:39 AM »
splendorlex,

AS far as I remember, Columbia bought the StarTrak company
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/search.asp?isCurrent=0&companyID=50
and turned it into Track; I am not sure when Phil Cardinale entered the picture.

In the PBA approved equipment list,
http://www.pba.com/resources/ApprovedEquipment.asp?ID=24,
the earliest Track ball is the Trackster, approved 1/9/89.

newguy, can you tell us when you, Track and Columbia "got together" initially?

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cficare068

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2007, 10:22:30 AM »
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Pheonix is kind of an odd name for something with a Soaker type cover isn't it ?
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The Phoenix is a bird that rises from the ashes of its previous incarnation.

This is Phil's (Mr. C's) work (the name, that is, and the ball, of ocurse!), as I'd guess he sees himself being re-incarnated into and within the Columbia corporate entity, once again.

Hmmm, I wonder if we'll see the re-incarnation of likes of THE "Heat" once more also?????
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Edited on 1/17/2007 7:33 AM


Would have no complaints if he did.  Triton Heat was my favorite ball until the heat remake came out.  Now the Heat remake is my favorite.
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newguy

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2007, 10:46:37 AM »
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splendorlex,

AS far as I remember, Columbia bought the StarTrak company
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/search.asp?isCurrent=0&companyID=50
and turned it into Track; I am not sure when Phil Cardinale entered the picture.

In the PBA approved equipment list,
http://www.pba.com/resources/ApprovedEquipment.asp?ID=24,
the earliest Track ball is the Trackster, approved 1/9/89.

newguy, can you tell us when you, Track and Columbia "got together" initially?

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Edited on 1/23/2007 10:43 AM



Columbia did not buy the Star Trak co. I started Track in Sep 1988 in Solon Ohio and sold it to Columbia in 1992, relocated to San Antonio in Jan 1993.
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2007, 10:53:55 AM »
Seed balls are coming anyday, i am hearing a ball similar to an absolute inferno but better continuation that is the word for now. For anybody that doubts it i also hear it is nothing like the Big Shot in reaction whole different ball reactions no sharing going on there.

I will be watching Wes Malott thursday and friday if the phoenix rises at the motel 6 classic you will be first to know
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splendorlex

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2007, 11:25:05 AM »
Oh yeah, babe.  Oh yeah.    I thought I heard something once that Phil started Track in the first place, you've all just gone back to your ROOTS!


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splendorlex,

AS far as I remember, Columbia bought the StarTrak company
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/search.asp?isCurrent=0&companyID=50
and turned it into Track; I am not sure when Phil Cardinale entered the picture.

In the PBA approved equipment list,
http://www.pba.com/resources/ApprovedEquipment.asp?ID=24,
the earliest Track ball is the Trackster, approved 1/9/89.

newguy, can you tell us when you, Track and Columbia "got together" initially?

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."


Edited on 1/23/2007 10:43 AM



Columbia did not buy the Star Trak co. I started Track in Sep 1988 in Solon Ohio and sold it to Columbia in 1992, relocated to San Antonio in Jan 1993.

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If you aren't watching 'The Wire,' the government should be forced to come to your house and repossess your television. END OF STORY!

Mr. Lebowski, this is Bill Salnicker with the Southern Cal Bowling League, and I just got a, an informal report, that a member of your team, uh, Walter Sobchak, drew a firearm during league play. If this is true of course, it contravenes a number of the league's by-laws, and article 27 of the league...

BOB:  Did you see the way she was lookin' at me?
DOUG:  Yeah, because she thought you were some kind of freak!
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erh300

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2007, 11:51:44 AM »
My first Track ball was the Shark. That ball, for me, was flat out awesome. I heard, at the time, that Mo Pinel designed the core for the Shark. Newguy, is there any truth to that?
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charlest

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2007, 12:30:38 PM »
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splendorlex,

AS far as I remember, Columbia bought the StarTrak company
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/search.asp?isCurrent=0&companyID=50
and turned it into Track; I am not sure when Phil Cardinale entered the picture.

In the PBA approved equipment list,
http://www.pba.com/resources/ApprovedEquipment.asp?ID=24,
the earliest Track ball is the Trackster, approved 1/9/89.

newguy, can you tell us when you, Track and Columbia "got together" initially?

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Columbia did not buy the Star Trak co. I started Track in Sep 1988 in Solon Ohio and sold it to Columbia in 1992, relocated to San Antonio in Jan 1993.


Thank you! Fascinating.

So Did Columbia merge Star-Trak and your Track?
Didn't Star-Trak "become", through whatever machinations, Track?
Did you buy Star-Trak, if you can reveal that info?

Thank you, in any case.

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Mark T. Trgovac

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2007, 11:08:46 PM »
Phil just said that star trak is not track. I also new phil stated track back in solon. I lived by there and my dad would tell me you could go right up there and get that stuff in the early 90's right from the company.
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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2007, 06:03:38 AM »
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The Phoenix is TEAL / PURPLE / BURGENDY pearl

It looks awesome!
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great, there goes kangaroo guy again being all "ooohh, look at me, i already have the new ball, and you dont. ha ha ha."
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newguy

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2007, 04:14:58 PM »
USBC approved today. Boy it really rolls great, 2 drilling and really totally different looks down the lane. I'll try it in league Thursday night. Just one of the "perks" If it rolls great I'll delay the launch so I can use it in tournaments and have an advantage....no wait I'm left handed so scrap the need for an advantage.
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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2007, 04:52:46 PM »
Phil, you're friggin' killing me!!!!!!!!!!!LOL
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charlest

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Re: Phoenix
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2007, 06:17:30 PM »
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Phil just said that star trak is not track. I also new phil stated track back in solon. I lived by there and my dad would tell me you could go right up there and get that stuff in the early 90's right from the company.
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I don't think he said exactly that. I've heard from  many people say specifically that Star-Trak became Track. Columbia might have merged the two after Phil sold Track to Columbia. Stranger thigns have happened. 15 years ago is an eternity in corporate lives. Until Phil says otherwise, I'll suspend any belief one way or the other.
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