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Title: Phoenix question
Post by: pate08 on March 14, 2007, 03:32:17 PM
I see that one of the Phoenix's is going for $530 on ebay<-------OMG!, and my question for everyone is, would you rather drill this ball up for yourself or get the $530?
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Phoenix
Smash Time Pearl
Awesome Revs
Power Groove
UT spares

Waiting to be drilled - Power Machine, V2 Particle



High Game - 286
High Series - 748
 

Edited on 3/14/2007 11:34 PM
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: Track_Fanatic on March 15, 2007, 01:42:53 AM
There is no way shape or form could Ebonite produce this ball.  If I am not mistaken, the coverstocks were made by BASF.  Again, if I am not mistaken, Ebonite doesn't have anything to with BASF.  It is not possible to have the same type of ball reaction when using different coverstocks.  Phil has a secret in the soaker coverstock as well that will not be revealed.  That is his own chemistry.
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: KCarter069 on March 15, 2007, 01:52:34 AM
Im still debating what to do with mine

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4986113

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4986112

http://
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-KCarter
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: Hoselrockets on March 15, 2007, 07:26:06 AM
quote:

If the Soaker coverstock was so great Dyno-Thane would be #1 in the world instead of Ebonite and Columbia would still be in Texas today.

Phil is a great dog & pony man.


and your point?
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THB
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: jls on March 15, 2007, 10:27:15 AM
quote:
"Phil has a secret in the soaker coverstock as well that will not be revealed. That is his own chemistry.'

If the Soaker coverstock was so great Dyno-Thane would be #1 in the world instead of Ebonite and Columbia would still be in Texas today.

Phil is a great dog & pony man.



themezz
i don't think ebonite bought this company because their products were no good.
why would someone do this,  unless it was for 10 cents on the dollar.
i think they bought this company because their products are good and well received.  

and in time ebonite will market them according to their own guidelines.  and do very well.   just like they did with hammer.
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jls31316

Edited on 3/15/2007 10:27 AM
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: newguy on March 15, 2007, 10:47:48 AM
You guys don't think I forgot how to build that ball do you?
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: stardude on March 15, 2007, 11:05:14 AM
We don't think you forgot we just wonder when?
Hopefully we will see something similar SOON.
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: Hoselrockets on March 15, 2007, 11:51:44 AM
quote:
quote:
Im still debating what to do with mine

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4986113

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4986112

http://
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-KCarter



First off, Get it out of your lap.  You don't want to crush the 'boys.'  
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LOL, I noticed the same thing but didn't want to think that was my main focus!!

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Never argue with an idiot!
The spectators won't know who is who.

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THB
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 15, 2007, 12:10:52 PM
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Hopefully we will see something similar SOON.  




How soon is soon though?
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


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TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: Traumabill on March 15, 2007, 12:24:06 PM
Ebonite does in fact use BASF(Columbia), Bayer(Brunswick), and HK (Storm) resin bases in their products.

Bill
Bowling Services Unlimited
www.bsuproshops.com
Vise Inserts Staff
www.viseinserts.com
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: newguy on March 15, 2007, 04:09:33 PM
They do not have the recipes only the raw material since they blend their own formulas. anyone can buy the A and B sides it's the additives they they do not have, and in many cases they are proprietary and not available.
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: Djarum on March 15, 2007, 04:16:07 PM
quote:
"Phil has a secret in the soaker coverstock as well that will not be revealed. That is his own chemistry.'

If the Soaker coverstock was so great Dyno-Thane would be #1 in the world instead of Ebonite and Columbia would still be in Texas today.

Phil is a great dog & pony man.


Sometimes it has NOTHING to do with quality of ball. Sometimes it has to do with marketing. Bose is a fine example of excelent marketing for for crappy equipment.

Dj
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Edited on 3/15/2007 4:16 PM
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: newguy on March 19, 2007, 09:10:19 AM
Threw samples last week, logo looks really cool.
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: CoachLefty on March 19, 2007, 09:28:24 AM
newguy needs to stop this....anticipation is killing me
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Go Balls Deep

Lefty
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 19, 2007, 09:29:04 AM
same here
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: directdrill on March 19, 2007, 09:44:33 AM
Man, that seems really fast, but sounds great.
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Hook 'em Horns!
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: stardude on March 19, 2007, 08:06:13 PM
quote:
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Hopefully we will see something similar SOON.  




How soon is soon though?
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

Seems like a lot sooner than than I would have thought.
Last week he said he went on a field trip the week before with cores and formulas in hand and now he is talking about throwing some samples and they
have logos on them already. That is pretty soon.
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: rymacatthedisco on March 19, 2007, 08:10:40 PM
i cant wait to recieve my phoenix...it comes in tomorrow!!!
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RYAN MCDANIEL...Northern Illinois University bowling
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 19, 2007, 11:07:38 PM
HM.....where?


info in small amounts folks
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Carl Hurd
C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio


Tag Team Member #1

TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: hjk246 on March 20, 2007, 03:33:15 AM
all i can say that if the phoenix is anything like the mean machine.....don't waste your money....especially $500.come on.no ball is worth that.for $500 the darn thing better make you breakfast.
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: crankncrash on March 20, 2007, 02:48:17 PM
That ball is mint man, I watched a guy take it OOB and go 279,278,277 for the first 3 games!  Is that worth 500 to me? NO, but to somebody it is.  O and as an added bonus the guy has 8 more.... jerk
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: jls on March 20, 2007, 02:57:51 PM
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That ball is mint man, I watched a guy take it OOB and go 279,278,277 for the first 3 games!  Is that worth 500 to me? NO, but to somebody it is.  O and as an added bonus the guy has 8 more.... jerk




but did this guy pay $500.00 for them???

chances are,  probably not.   and that was the point.
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jls31316
Title: Re: Phoenix question
Post by: crankncrash on March 20, 2007, 03:08:00 PM
No he certainly didn't pay 500 for em.