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tenpinspro

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Picking up your 10 pins....
« on: February 19, 2006, 07:56:00 AM »
After helping out my good friend FBM357 last night, I thought this would be a good tip for you guys.

I still watch so many of my friends, customers and teammates hook by 10's even with plastic, it made me start to analyze why.  It boiled down to the fact that many bowlers out there are literally still turning the ball like normal thinking plastic won't hook at all, WRONG!  Some of you younger guys were not around then but plastic and even hard rubber WERE our strike balls.  They would and still will hook when it encounters the right amount of friction or dry boards.  You can't really turn it up like normal and just expect it to go dead straight.

First of all, I recommend to reduce your lift effort. This will help the ball not turn over as hard on the backend or the dry area when it encounters that part of the lane.  This will actually help it stay straighter longer.

Secondly, we can make a slight timing change in when we push our ball away in our approach.  For most tweeners and stronger releases, we are typically a little late with the ball relative to our feet at the foul line.  That is created normally in the beginning of our approach as to how late we want the ball to be relative to our feet.  The longer we delay the movement of the ball to our feet in the beginning of our approach, the more delay it will create at the end of the approach (release point).  If this is how we create power, then we don't necessarily want to or need to create that same amount of power with our spare shot.

Instead, from where you normally push the ball away in your normal timing, let's push it away a touch sooner so it catches up with your feet sooner and you won't be waiting for the ball at the foul line.  This is where the old school teaching comes from about starting the ball with your 1st step, did anyone from the 50's or 60's crank the ball?  NO...they were primarily all strokers and this is the way to create more of a "stroking" motion. By doing so, we really won't have the time to hit up on it because the ball will be there sooner then before.

Imagine a forehand in tennis, our leading foot is out in front of us "planted" and "waiting" for the racquet to drive thru for power.  The same goes for a pitcher who has his leading foot out in front of him "planted" and "waiting" for his arm to drive thru with the baseball.  Now try and throw the baseball while your foot and arm arrive at the same time, kind of awkward isn't it?  Main thing is that it doesn't allow for any leverage or power. On killing a 10 pin, we don't need or want the same power as our first shot.

Hope this helps some of you guys.  Good luck and good bowling from your Track Prez.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2006, 05:18:10 PM »
Sorry, forgot to add abut where we should stand on the approach.  Normally I still recommend for most to shoot the 10 cross lane at about 4th arrow. Most of us can get against the ball return on the right lane and shoot it from that angle.

For you bigger guys, please keep in mind that if your body is on the larger side, even if you are against the ball return, your arm and ball are already at 4th arrow in alignment.  Because of this, you cannot just walk up and throw it over 4th arrow because you literally are not facing the 10 pin.  You have to get left of the ball return in your approach and aim your body and arm towards the 10 pin.  This is tougher for bigger bowlers to some degree but go through your approach slower and that will allow you to "walk" around the return easier.  Hope this helps some...
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2006, 05:30:22 PM »
I've seen several,and used them all at times.
 1.Use only the ring finger and thumb. You can't lift and the ball goes dead straight.
 2.Use the pinky finger and ring finger instead of middle and ring---same theory. No lift--dead straight.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2006, 05:34:47 PM »
still say....put that plastic baby in the lustre king...$10 worth....w/1/8th inch of wax on your plastic ball....crank all you want baby....

that way you don't have to change timing or anything....

HONESTLY....it's best to do it as tenpinspro stated....versitilty is the key for winning money....league hack...just do it my way...

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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2006, 06:24:59 PM »
Why do so many people have a tough time breaking their wrist back and throwing straight at the darn thing?

I guess if you don't get into a habit of doing it it's just too uncomfortable...I don't always hit my tens, but I never miss because the ball hooks away from it even when I'm throwing highly reactive equipment at it.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2006, 06:33:47 PM »
I use Ron Cliftons tip on finger dancing.
I put my pointer finger next to my middle
finger and my pinky is spread out as far as
it will go. Since using this tip my 10 pin
spare % is around 95-99. Before using this
tip i couldnt pick a 10 pin for a million bucks.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2006, 06:54:41 PM »
What I do is spread my little finger and stay as much behind the ball as I can which equates to about 10° of axis rotation and raise the ball quite a bit higher while at address which gets my backswing much higher allowing me to still have a free swing and throw the ball 19-20mph at the pin deck. This speed is coming from someone that is only 5'7 & 135#. This method allows me to use any ball to shoot spares unless the lanes are completely fried and if they are that fried I am already using plastic anyway.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 04:26:31 PM »
Rick,

Great tip for people. I dont use my 10 pin ball much because I found that if you change your hand position to start with in a way weaker position that you tend not to rev it up. Yet when I do use my 10 pin ball it is 15 but at the time I was rolling 16 so I normaly rolled it faster so even if I reved it it didnt have a chance to get back. I still held it weaker just in case. I did like your post keep them comeing.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 11:06:57 PM »
I thorw straight at all of my spares except for double woods.  Well I also don't use a spare ball.  I can make any ball go dead straight.  I just pull my pointer finger in close to my middle finger and spread my pinkie finger out far away from my ring finger.  Then I just focuse on coming up the back of the ball.  Bingo a dead straight shot.

10 pins I just stand in the same spot on any lane condition and hit the middle arrow.  I stand with the inside of my right foot on 35 board on the approach and hit the middle arrow as the target.  I already know the ball will be going straight so if I see the ball cross over the middle arrow I know I made the spare.

I use the arrows for every spare and always stand in certain spots for every pin.  I have a sheet of paper that I bring with me during bowling that has all of the spare and single pin targeting arrows and where to stand for each.  Once I started doing this my spare game got better instantly.

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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2006, 01:16:39 AM »
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Why do so many people have a tough time breaking their wrist back and throwing straight at the darn thing?


From watching bowlers all day in a bowling center, not everyone can change hand or wrist positions on demand.  Many bowlers who are physically stronger tend to have more difficulty in doing this.  Somewhat similar to Rev-O's question or problem that he's more comfortable gripping and ripping.  This was hopefully a tip to help some of those...I think it boils down to their sense of "feel", this is how they have to "feel" the ball.  

It's kind of like when a strong guy shakes your hand, he squeezes yours to the bone but doesn't realize it because of his natural strength.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2006, 09:27:09 AM »
Murph, both drillings are OK since they leave the (low) influence of a polyester CG in the most stable positions which (potentially) make the ball go straight.

I think that the best way to cover 10 pins is what comes natural to your game in the first place - but you surely have to refine it. I came from a conventional grip spare to a fingertip polyester, and in the beginning I threw it "sideways" with some rotation, mmaking it spin and go quite staright. Lacked accuracy, though. Then I experimented with wrist supports and also their effects on the polyester ball, with a normal strike shot release (too much hook!), teh "Sideways" release and some other weird stuff that was not convincing.
I finally ended up without the support and a halfway (not fully) broken-back wrist, pretty much like a conventional grip. Thumb and lower arm form a line. I also found out that putting more weight on the middel finger helps reducing side roll and therefore hook in the release. It also feels comfortable to me, and has improved my spare game. But it took me about 9 months of training and experimenting to find a "good" technique (for me) and an according line system for most single leave spares which make me competitive right from the start, but I am still and always open to suggestions (especially since I will have to wear my wrist support again after an injury...).

Good post, Rick, thanks!
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2006, 12:12:48 PM »
Hey Rick,

I normally spread the two fingers (index and pinky) while maintaining a broken wrist.  This allows me to not only stay behind the ball but I also make sure I keep the forearm and biceps facing forward throughout the shot.  I also change the position in which the ball is held (straight down in front of my right leg).  Of course speed helps as well

One thing I will admit, I prefer a 10 pin over a 7 pin the majority of the time.
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Re: Picking up your 10 pins....
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2006, 12:19:25 PM »
I've said this so often that even I'm tired of hearing it.  In addition to what Rick said (didn't read everything in this thread), LEAD WITH THE RING FINGER.  Most of us, on our strike shots lead with the middle finger; that is, it is the dominant finger in our delivery.  For 10 pins, make the ring finger dominant - if you properly stay behind the ball and do this you may even see the ball back up a tad.
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