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cd

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Pin Length
« on: February 16, 2006, 11:58:26 PM »
What pin length should I choose for new equipment?  What factors come into play when deciding this?  Is there a general guideline to follow?  

Do certain pin lengths limit the drilling possibilities?  I think most of my equipment has a 3-4" pin length.  

I am ordering some new equipment and I was curious about how one should make this decision?

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Re: Pin Length
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2006, 08:07:05 AM »
Very basically: low pins are good for rolly designs (oil balls), while huge pin-outs tend to have a more pronounced mass bias and therefore enhance flippy ball and drilling designs. But that's just a rough rule of thumb. Mostly, pin-ins have to be drilled for a rolly design (pin under fingers) to keep the ball legal, so it is wise to chose a ball base that fits the technical "framework" and matches lane conditions. Hope this helps as a first step.
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Re: Pin Length
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2006, 09:17:43 AM »
cd,

The general thought when someone gets a ball is 3in pin 3 oz TW.

Asymmetrical stuff the CG location location will not matter for layout purposes. Shorter pins, like mentioned in another thread here could make it difficult to drill out excess sideweight or to put the pin in a certain position and MB in a certain position could result in the CG taking the ball to negative weight. So basically, the best thing for an asymmetrical ball is to ask when you order it if you could have the pin cg mb all in line.

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Re: Pin Length
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2006, 09:51:40 AM »
The answer to the question of what pin length depends on two things:

1) Does the ball have an asymmetric core?
2) How do you want to lay it out (i.e. where do you want the pin)?

If the ball is an asym, then the location of the cg relative to the pin matters less than with a symmetric core. With asyms, the mass bias associated with the second preferred spin axis is created mostly by the asymmetric core, not the cg/topweight. Therefore, with an asym, simply ask yourself where you want to place the pin and mass bias, then get a pin length/cg position that will allow you to place the cg close to the center of your grip.

If the ball has a symmetric core, then the mass that creates the second spin axis is the cg/topweight itself. (The second spin axis is 6.75" from the pin through the cg.) Therefore, the location of the cg relative to the pin is more important with a symmetric core. All else equal, a shorter pin length creates a smaller mass bias and creates less track flare. A longer pin length creates a greater mass bias and creates more track flare.

Think of the cg/topweight as putting leverage on the side of the core. At 90 degrees from the core axis (pin) is where the cg could place the most leverage. 90 degrees on a bowling ball is 6.75". A cg further away from the top of the core (pin) creates more leverage on the side of the core.

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Re: Pin Length
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2006, 11:08:22 AM »
The other thing that you must be aware of is if you a are a high tracker, pin in balls can lead to clipping thumb or finger holes. Ran into this problem with my crash on occasions.

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Re: Pin Length
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 12:08:01 PM »
One thing to consider is your ball track.  I track high so on symmetrical balls I keep the pin above the finger line.  On asymmetrical balls I can put the pin below the fingers because asymmetrical balls tend lower my ball track.

Another thing for me is smaller pins on asymmetrical balls tend to work better for me.  Tracks asymmetrical balls like the Animal worked really good for me with the pin below the finger line.  

If your going to choose a lyout with the pin above the fingers go with a longer pin out ball and if your going to put the pin below the finger line go with shorter pin out balls.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Pin Length
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2006, 12:12:59 PM »
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So basically, the best thing for an asymmetrical ball is to ask when you order it if you could have the pin cg mb all in line.
 


Exactly.....What Carl said here For example, I was given a Storm Paradigm (of which I didn't ask for) with a 3 1/2" Pin for Christmas. The CG is so far out of line to the right, that the drilling options on it are pretty limited for my style and I couldn't drill it like I wanted because there would have been so much side weight, it would not have been possible to get the side weight within the 1 oz limit. Had I known this when I received it, I would have returned it for either a pin in line or something different. I seem to get more educated every time I get a different ball, but darn, it gets expensive for this education....lol

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