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Title: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Rev_O on February 20, 2006, 06:27:13 AM
When bowling in places where the shot is drier, and I have to throw it hard, I have a tendency to Grab the ball at release, causing it to hook early. I was wondering if i should try either more reverse in my fingers, or try a ball drilled sarge easter??

Let me know what you all think. I have about 9 balls on the way, so i'd gladly sacrifice a ball in the current lineup to try it out!
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Speedburner89 on February 20, 2006, 02:33:50 PM
Unless you have ring finger pain, or an insanely high rev rate i don't think you need a sarge, learning how to back your hand out of the ball with more forward roll is one of the most important things a bowler can learn
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: 1fife on February 20, 2006, 02:48:35 PM
not the nrom for most

but i drop down in weight

usually since they are hooking you dont need the added weight anyways(fro carry)
Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Rev_O on February 20, 2006, 02:50:13 PM
well, i throw 15 now, and my rev rate is up there. I was to the point yesterday where my desert heat was to much ball, while the fluffers on the pair could hardly hook there inferno's
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: TDC57 on February 20, 2006, 03:18:38 PM
Hey, I got a question. Why do you call guys fluffers? Is that a bowling snob term? To me that statement creates an unhealthy relationship between guys like you who are without a doubt better than most and other bowlers. The lower end bowlers see how guys that are in the top echelon act and treat them most of the time and this is one of the aspects of the game that is hurting it. Wouldn't it be just as easy to say "people with less hand could hardly hook their Infernos." I'm not trying to flame this post but this is something that has bothered me a lot in recent years. Earl Anthony, Dick Weber, Dick Ritger and many others could eat most of the heavy handed guys for lunch on most conditions and they did not have over powering releases.
Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: OG1 on February 20, 2006, 03:20:03 PM
All my balls have reverse. may help a little maybe try to drop down a pound for the dry lane ball.
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Slick300 on February 20, 2006, 05:28:38 PM
Revo what are your current pitches? and B did you ever try the method of putting you thumb in first and then your fingers I usually do this when they are eally hooking so I don`t grab because I have the same tendency.
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: a_ak57 on February 20, 2006, 05:35:16 PM
quote:
Hey, I got a question. Why do you call guys fluffers? Is that a bowling snob term? To me that statement creates an unhealthy relationship between guys like you who are without a doubt better than most and other bowlers. The lower end bowlers see how guys that are in the top echelon act and treat them most of the time and this is one of the aspects of the game that is hurting it. Wouldn't it be just as easy to say "people with less hand could hardly hook their Infernos." I'm not trying to flame this post but this is something that has bothered me a lot in recent years. Earl Anthony, Dick Weber, Dick Ritger and many others could eat most of the heavy handed guys for lunch on most conditions and they did not have over powering releases.
Fluffer is used in the same context as stroker or tweener.  It just describes a style of bowling, the people with very little hand.  If you take that as a derogatory term, it's your own fault.  People don't complain because someone says "that cranker was really opening up the lane when I couldn't hook my ball"....That's just as "derogatory".
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Rev_O on February 20, 2006, 06:03:41 PM
no harm meant by the fluffer term. if you took it the wrong way, i apologize!!

i'm leaning towards sarge easter and or a Rico drilling
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Rev_O on February 20, 2006, 06:53:28 PM
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Wow with your stats and your asking advice, good to know that you don't think you know it all, probally why you do have great success at bowling.
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i'm far from a "know it all". I'm getting really sick of these "BIG LOCAL EVENTS" that put out 10-10 house shots.
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: BackToBasics on February 20, 2006, 07:45:26 PM
I wouldn't look to a grip change but a physical change.  I had the same issues and no changes worked as well as some swing changes. The most important being "flattening" the plane of my swing.  That is, creating a longer flat spot at the bottom apex of the swing so that the ball is being released parallel to the ground, almost like a plane landing.  The ball has more push and greater read.  You also have the added benefit of being able to throw much more agressive balls.

I had problems on drier lanes because I was being forced to used much weaker equipment and had greater lane transitions.  Fred Borden helped me with my swing by me getting the ball into the swing early and having a hinge pushaway.  Hard to describe in words but the first shot off my hand was an eye opener. It took a while to get it down and even now when I get to lanes where I'm getting early  or too much hook, I'll exagerate my swing as a first adjustment.  It's allowed me to be able to use much stronger balls even when they hooked.  

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: sammy the sage on February 20, 2006, 08:47:55 PM
Hmmmm....what achappy said.....also aus.lefty....both excellent suggestions....

actually...you should have a pin axis drilling...regardless...good luck
Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Rev_O on February 21, 2006, 06:09:43 AM
Thanks guys, you've given me a few good options and ideas!

I'll keep ya all posted....
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: chitown on February 21, 2006, 07:10:26 AM
Your grabbing because your trying to put a lot of speed on the ball.  I would suggest not messing with your grip specs.  I would just learn to use a different release.  A low rev more skid type of release.
Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: chitown on February 21, 2006, 07:13:55 AM
quote:
Hey, I got a question. Why do you call guys fluffers? Is that a bowling snob term? To me that statement creates an unhealthy relationship between guys like you who are without a doubt better than most and other bowlers. The lower end bowlers see how guys that are in the top echelon act and treat them most of the time and this is one of the aspects of the game that is hurting it. Wouldn't it be just as easy to say "people with less hand could hardly hook their Infernos." I'm not trying to flame this post but this is something that has bothered me a lot in recent years. Earl Anthony, Dick Weber, Dick Ritger and many others could eat most of the heavy handed guys for lunch on most conditions and they did not have over powering releases.


Fluffer is just used to desrcibe a low rev player.  Revo is not trying to slam anybody.  In fact I know a lot of strokers that use that term as well.

Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: stopncrank on February 21, 2006, 07:25:15 AM
here's something that works for me on drier stuff. my normal target method no matter where i play on the lane is to use two targets, one at the rangefinders, and one at my breakpoint. is the lanes are drier i ssight my eyes closer to my breakpoint rather than at the arrows. in simple terms, look farther down the lane with your eyes. i would definitely try this before you learn to loft the ball. lofting the ball tends to make the ball more erratic, it might hook one time, it might not. ever heard of john jowdy? his whole method of teaching does NOT involve lofting the ball at all. if you try this method i think it will work for you. let me know if it works.
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: stopncrank on February 21, 2006, 08:50:34 AM
ttt
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: OG1 on February 21, 2006, 10:38:04 PM
quote:
I wouldn't look to a grip change but a physical change.  I had the same issues and no changes worked as well as some swing changes. The most important being "flattening" the plane of my swing.  That is, creating a longer flat spot at the bottom apex of the swing so that the ball is being released parallel to the ground, almost like a plane landing.  The ball has more push and greater read.  You also have the added benefit of being able to throw much more agressive balls.

I had problems on drier lanes because I was being forced to used much weaker equipment and had greater lane transitions.  Fred Borden helped me with my swing by me getting the ball into the swing early and having a hinge pushaway.  Hard to describe in words but the first shot off my hand was an eye opener. It took a while to get it down and even now when I get to lanes where I'm getting early  or too much hook, I'll exagerate my swing as a first adjustment.  It's allowed me to be able to use much stronger balls even when they hooked.  

Hope that helps.

how bout you share the wealth and teach it to meEMMTL is killing me...
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Title: Re: Question for all that have knowledge of bowling.
Post by: Rev_O on February 22, 2006, 07:27:01 AM
tried a bit of the changes last night. Mostly, I tried to make sure my grip and armswing were totally relaxed. I also started putting my fingers in last. Although this felt extremely weird, I becasme used to it. It definatly help get down the grab tendancy. I think that If i continue this way, all have to shorten my span a tad. More to come....
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