Author Topic: Replacing a Crunch Time (Read 2976 times)

BigB20 · « **on:** June 19, 2006, 01:51:36 AM »

My Fiance's Crunch Time has seen better days, and I going to replace it. I want something very similar to it. I was thinking Heat Blast, but will take some suggestions. Also, not sure how I want to lay it out. She has decent speed for a woman, I'd say 12-13 MPH, and is a low tracker. The ball will have a 2-3" pin, and 2-3 TW. Any suggestions as to what ball and layout would be helpful. Thank you.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2006, 10:04:00 AM »

BigB,

It is going to depend on what she wants. If she wants something a little stronger, you could go with the Heat Blast. If she wants something maybe a tad weaker, maybe the Solution PP EX. How is her Crunch Time drilled? If that ball rolled pretty good for her, I would recommend a similar drilling. If she is a low track player, a layout with the pin below her fingers would work pretty well. I would drill it with the pin somewhere around 4 1/2 - 5 inches from her axis point to help the ball get down the lane, especially if you go with something stronger than the CT.
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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2006, 10:05:08 AM »

Having both, I'd suggest the SOlution PowerPlus EX.
It's slightly cleaner through the heads, handles maybe an ever so slightly lower oil volume and still hits like a Track Mack Truck.

The Heat Blast is more of a solid, I believe, and while the core has similar specs, it gives a different shape to the ball path, in general.
A closer match than the Heat Blast might be the Solution PowerPlus solid, IF you give it a good dose of polish. It has the same core as the Solution PP EX and the CrunchTime. The Slash is a good candidate for the same reason, but it also needs a good polish.

But check on EBay first; I've seen a few CrunchTimes there from time to time. In fact I bought my last one there, new.
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notsohotshot · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2006, 10:49:41 AM »

What weight ball does she throw? I have a used 14# Crunch Time and a new 15# Crunch Time if you are interested.

clintdaley · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2006, 10:56:44 AM »

I would agree the Blast would be close but a different shape. I think the Ex, since it has the same shape core as the Crunch Time (different densities) would be a very close match.

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2006, 11:18:28 AM »

Hey Big B,

There is one important factor to consider:

1) What weight does she throw? If it's a lighter weight 12-13, the cores are no longer the same as 14lbs and up. Can't remember off the top of my head but it may be either our rocket core or core 3 technology in there which then has an impact on ball selection.

If it's 12-13, I'd say the Heat Blast lightly polished will look very similar.
If it's 14lbs and up, I personally think the Heat (OOB) to Heat Blast (highly polished) offers a pretty close overall reaction to the CT.

In regards to layout, how was her CT drilled? Let us know and we'll try to help, thanks.

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BigB20 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2006, 11:32:11 AM »

I believe her Crunch Time was somewhat of a leverage drill, something like 3 3/8 X 3 or something that looks like this:

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but the pin is a little closer to the middle finger hole, and a small x-hole on VAL. Also, she throws 14#. Thanks for the help.

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2006, 11:44:07 AM »

Thanks for the info Big B,

Based on this, I'd suggest a Heat with the pin above ring area cg slightly out right, not too far from her layout now but trying to get just a touch more length because the Heat I'd say is a touch stronger. Guesstimate based on your numbers 4x3.5....

On the Blast, I'd go pin over bridge and cg slightly right (to create even more length) to help offset some of the ball's natural strength difference in cover and core. This should also help push it down lane easier. Guesstimate layout 4.5-5 x 4....

Hope this helps some....
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BigB20 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2006, 11:58:50 AM »

Thanks for the help guys. I think I will go with the Heat Blast most likely, and go with a layout similar to what tenpin suggested. I appreciate all the ideas and the suggestions.

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2006, 01:55:53 PM »

Phooey! lost that one to Rick.

Ok, last ditch effort,
Remember that the cover of the Soln PP Ex is the same as the CT (PowerPLus Ex, enhanced, with a solid pearl combination) and the core's only difference, with the exact same shape, is that the RG diff is slightly lower. The MAIN difference is that the CT had a compound (roughyl 1000 grit) polish, while the Solution PP Ex has a high gloss polish. Betcha the Solution PP Ex is closer in reaction when the cover is prepped correctly than the Heat Blast!

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2006, 05:25:28 PM »

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Betcha the Solution PP Ex is closer in reaction when the cover is prepped correctly than the Heat Blast!

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I love competition ...

Bring it on baby!...

...lol *Charlest starts doing a cheerleading dance...now that's a great visual!!...LMAO
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Okay...I had to stop laughing....

Here's my reasoning Charlest, EX has an rg of 2.50 but a diff of only .040. That's not a lot of flare to begin with. Now we know the EX goes as long or longer compared to the CT (2.52,.047 diff) so we'll have to dull it some to handle the same amount of oil. When we dull the ball, it'll read earlier changing the reaction shape and not store the same energy for the backend finish or movement. I don't feel it will have the pop that the CT naturally has.

Even if we get the EX to match the CT on the cover through sanding preparations, the backend strength of the CT is much greater in comparison.
.07 in differential translates to about an additional inch of flare...

This is why I typically recommend to a bowler to have more strength in a ball vs not enough because it's always easier to weaken a "strong" ball vs trying to strengthen a "weak" ball.

C'mon, Track didn't pick me out of all their staffers to be Tech Advisor for the company for nuttin!..

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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2006, 05:39:36 PM »

I have to side with rick on how the ct has way more backend then the sppex. I know I have not seen a ball for the condition the ct is made for backend that much. I thank carl on letting me buy that ball off him. LOL. I would say that this thing kinda backends more then my 5.0.
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charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2006, 09:08:28 PM »

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Betcha the Solution PP Ex is closer in reaction, when the cover is prepped correctly, than the Heat Blast!

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Okay...I had to stop laughing....

Hey, it's about time we had some fun here.

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Here's my reasoning Charlest, EX has an rg of 2.50 but a diff of only .040. That's not a lot of flare to begin with. Now we know the EX goes as long or longer compared to the CT (2.52,.047 diff) so we'll have to dull it some to handle the same amount of oil. When we dull the ball, it'll read earlier changing the reaction shape and not store the same energy for the backend finish or movement. I don't feel it will have the pop that the CT naturally has.

See, I was not thinking we'd have to dull the Soln PPEx (my shorthand). It comes with a high gloss finish - a highly polished one, while the CT comes with a compound finish. The Track compound finish is like achieved by Clean 'n' Sheen - about 1000 grit. The Soln's high gloss is closer to a 2000 grit polish, like that achieved by Magic Shine.

The higher RG differential of the CT plus the less highly polished coverstock is responsible, in my opinion, for the greater mid-lane grabbing power of the CT over the Soln PPEx.

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Even if we get the EX to match the CT on the cover through sanding preparations, the backend strength of the CT is much greater in comparison.
.07 in differential translates to about an additional inch of flare...

But a slightly stronger drilling, say a 3" pin - PAP, plus, potentially a slightly added bit of height of the pin above th emidlane, could solve that differential.

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This is why I typically recommend to a bowler to have more strength in a ball vs not enough because it's always easier to weaken a "strong" ball vs trying to strengthen a "weak" ball.

Always a safe move, when the original is not available.

HOWEVER .... in this case that core from the Heat Blast plus the fact that it's not even the same coverstock makes me choose a ball with the same coverstock with the same solid/pearl combo, with the EXACT same core construction. with slightly stronger drilling, with maybe slightly longer pin-CG distance and minor surface change, I'd say the Soln PPEx has a greater chance to be close to their CrunchTime.

Otherwise, I'd say the Slash, if one were available, with the precisely the same core and core specs and the same coverstock (PowerPlus Ex), but solid, so it would need a polish, would still be closer to the CT.

The main advantage of the Heat Blast is it's available with lots of pin and top weight choices.

By the way, Track seems to agree with my choice. For length/backend and hook range, they give the CrunchTime 8/6/20-25; for the SOlution PP EX, they give 8/6/18-24. For the Heat Blast they give: 6.5/7.5/22-28.

(Of course, having my CT and Soln PPEx drilled identically, I don't agree with Track's numbers.

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SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2006, 10:34:09 PM »

BigB20,

Solution Power Plus EX, Heat Blast, Heat pretty much sum up what I believe you should choose from, but I see that from the responses that is what the majority believes you should do! Hope this all helps buddy! God Bless You and have a great week!

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BigB20 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 20, 2006, 12:20:42 PM »

Well, actually, the Pro Shop I venture to, their supplier isn't carrying the Solutions anymore, and they have sold them all. And since her dad has now gone into partnership will my driller and taken over the other shop, I can get equipment cheap, and I kind of have to go through him. I want to stay with Track though because they are the best hitting balls on the market in my opinion. So my choices for her are somewhat limited, but I definitely don't want to put her in any real high end stuff. So I kind of have to go with the Heat Blast. But I do really appreciate all of your help with this guys. Thanks.

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