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Title: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: freak761 on August 26, 2005, 07:04:57 AM
I usually don't post very much but all this Rev bashing is really pi**ing me off!!! I do not personally know Carl but what I do know is this. His ball reviews and posts (Achappy, Ex and a few others, you know who you are) have been very helpful to me and I enjoy reading them. That said, to everyone who reads this post, Rev is not the one at fault for easy scoring conditions, high performance bowling balls, high gas prices, or whatever the he** else everyone wants to blame him for. The sport of bowling has a lot of issues that need to be addressed and USBC knows this. But there are no simple solutions and they are not going to be cleared up overnight. This is our game and we all enjoy it and a lot of changes need to be made. We need to help the right people make these changes and support them in doing so ... and everyone needs to get off Rev's back. Rev, congrats on the high average and I'm waiting for your review on the Rule Delta 1 and Arsenal Reactive...
Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: bighook69 on August 26, 2005, 03:09:39 PM
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!

I was about to post it, you people who like to  bash someone who did something good are pathetic.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: Rev_O on August 26, 2005, 03:13:50 PM
Yes, thank you indeed. When I get a few more games on the Reactive Arsenal and Delta 1, as well as the Solutions, I will post them. Hoping to get more vids soon also!!
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 26, 2005, 03:21:34 PM
FYI, I believe that Rev_O just happens to be the one in the crosshairs at the present time, but, they're anger does not lie with him.  It's directed at the USBC and the proprietors that choose to put out a "wall" shot.  You can't blame Steve for putting up these scores and you certainly shouldn't chastise him.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 03:27:05 PM
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FYI, I believe that Rev_O just happens to be the one in the crosshairs at the present time, but, they're anger does not lie with him.  It's directed at the USBC and the proprietors that choose to put out a "wall" shot.  You can't blame Steve for putting up these scores and you certainly shouldn't chastise him.
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230 is right.  Nobody dislikes revo himself.  The bashes are towards the scores and the wall shots of today.  It's just an example.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: kingpin268 on August 26, 2005, 03:29:22 PM
I really dont see anyone else  down themselves with their 220+ averages on the THS even when they themselves dont deserve them. And...might I ask why everybody hear bashing Rev O isn't averaging 250 even on the THS?
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 03:30:54 PM
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I really dont see anyone else  down themselves with their 220+ averages on the THS even when they themselves dont deserve them. And...might I ask why everybody hear bashing Rev O isn't averaging 250 even on the THS?
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: SlowHand on August 26, 2005, 03:34:28 PM
Might as well throw my two cents in. I know the people who run a cake shot house and was told by them that the reason they put a cake shot out is to attract more business. If people bowl well, they will come back.

Now as for Rev-O, I admire him greatly. I don't know many talented bowlers as him. In my own experience with walled or cake shots you have to have an ability hitting that shot. I do not. But averaging that high in that house, if it were THAT easy all the averages would be THAT high and they aren't. You have to have great talent to do this. WHAT part of that don't they understand? It's like saying no, which part don't you understand the n or the o?

Rev-o, you are indeed a very telented individual.... Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thanks for listening...
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: kingpin268 on August 26, 2005, 03:36:37 PM
My favorite saying: To each his own. Let everyone else think what they want but I'm willing to put my money on the line saying that in a one-on-one match between Rev O and the majority of the bashers here on this site, Rev will prevail even in some tougher shots. That's my opinion.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: Rev_O on August 26, 2005, 03:41:41 PM
I love your opinion Kingpin!!! Thank you for the support!!
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 04:13:19 PM
Ugh, you guys just don't get it.  Nobody is saying he sucks, it's that his average is not a true representation of his skills.  Because otherwise, that means he's better than anyone else.  If you think that it was all him who got the 249, you're insane.  Unless you'd put money on him against WRW, barnes and all the others on something like the US open pattern.  THAT is the point.  Now with that said, Steve, I expect you to average over 200 at your next regional at least.  Didn't you average around 215 for the latter half of the games or something like that?
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 26, 2005, 04:19:55 PM
Steve doesn't waltz around, asking for his loyal subjects to kiss his feet, and tend to his every need.  That being said, he's merely a victim of the system, and not a guy that people dislike.  I, for one, would love for a lot of the bolwers/posters on the site to at least give his type of shot a chance before using him as the scapegoat.  Kinda like the "walk a mile in my shoes" theory.  Jeepers, if this is the way that certain types of success are greeted on the site, what's the use of keeping score and sharing with others?
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 04:25:24 PM
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Steve doesn't waltz around, asking for his loyal subjects to kiss his feet, and tend to his every need.  That being said, he's merely a victim of the system, and not a guy that people dislike.  I, for one, would love for a lot of the bolwers/posters on the site to at least give his type of shot a chance before using him as the scapegoat.  Kinda like the "walk a mile in my shoes" theory.  Jeepers, if this is the way that certain types of success are greeted on the site, what's the use of keeping score and sharing with others?
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I think the main problem people had was that he would always post his scores and stuff like that, but never made mention that it could possibly be the oil pattern or something else helping him achieve that, making it seem like he himself was 100% responsible for the scores.  Most people who didn't shoot their first honor score usually made the remark "it was a wall" or "I got some breaks".  Oh yeah and nobody else here has made a post called "----- the Great".

D Pat, tough question.  really no answer.  I could speculate and say they would average over 250 or over 230.  It wouldn't matter.  But you could bet they would average a lot higher than they do on their PBA patterns.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 26, 2005, 04:31:07 PM
I guess this mirrors the baseball argument for "hitters ballparks" or "pitcher friendly" venues.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 04:34:49 PM
I think I mentioned it before, but just in case I didn't.  This whole situation wouldn't exist if we had something to compare this to.  Revo only bowled one regional during the infamous season, and for whatever reason didn't do amazing.  I can guarantee you that once he does finally prove himself on a tougher pattern, there will be nothing but praise since it will be finally confirmed that he is a good bowler.  The only people who will complain then would just be jealous.  Heck, even Hose admitted he had hoped revo would have done better at that regional.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: bighook69 on August 26, 2005, 04:35:14 PM
Andy, you guys then need to bash the wall shots not Steve, all Merkins posts are directed at Steve, which i think is insulting. Its not his fault the shot is easier than most, he just bowls there, i respect his skills and the ability to average 250 on anything!
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 04:38:06 PM
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Andy, you guys then need to bash the wall shots not Steve, all Merkins posts are directed at Steve, which i think is insulting. Its not his fault the shot is easier than most, he just bowls there, i respect his skills and the ability to average 250 on anything!
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Yeah, but I do bash the wall shots.  Like I said, it's just unfortunate that steve happens to be the example everyone remembers.  Afterall, steve himself has said he wished the owner would put out a tougher shot, and even asked him to.  But, sadly with todays mindframe, the owner didn't want to because he needs to compete with other walled houses and keep people bowling ther.  Tis a shame.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: mumzie on August 26, 2005, 04:41:40 PM
Ahem...
Hey - guys - If I remember correctly, Rev_o was ONLY posting his scores to the scratch doubles - and that's because he was a participant. I don't recall him bragging about them, or posting them other places on the site.

His partner was thrilled each week to see his scores - the rest of us were just jealous.

Nonetheless - what did the rest of you average on YOUR tough shot???
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: freak761 on August 26, 2005, 04:52:03 PM
How does every house in the country put down an equally challenging pattern for every bowler, every night for all bowlers to get a true representation of his talent/skills all year long??? Make sport bowling conditions mandatory?? I understand what you're saying aak57, but how do you correct it? In baseball, if I'm a left handed hitter playing my home games with a short porch in right field and I hit 35 of my 45 homers at home and another player hits 44 homers with only 18 of his at home because his home field has a fence that's 40 feet deeper than mine, should I surrender my home run title and apologize to him??
How do you make it equal for everyone?? Is it possible??
Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 04:59:47 PM
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Ahem...
Hey - guys - If I remember correctly, Rev_o was ONLY posting his scores to the scratch doubles - and that's because he was a participant. I don't recall him bragging about them, or posting them other places on the site.

His partner was thrilled each week to see his scores - the rest of us were just jealous.

Nonetheless - what did the rest of you average on YOUR tough shot???
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Uh, mumzie, he DID post topics about his high scores outside of the BR tourney, such as that newspaper article about him that he posted on a few forums.  Oh and btw I was his partner last season.

Freak, with your analogy, I wouldn't say to give up the title, but I would hope that you'd acknowledge the situation of favorable home runs, and hope  that people wouldn't consider you the god of home runs.  And then congratulate you.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on August 26, 2005, 05:14:25 PM

  Oh and btw I was his partner last season.


And his supply of Doan's Pills has dwindled considerably because of this fact.  Wow, was his back sore from carrying that team...!!...lol
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: a_ak57 on August 26, 2005, 05:40:36 PM
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  Oh and btw I was his partner last season.


And his supply of Doan's Pills has dwindled considerably because of this fact.  Wow, was his back sore from carrying that team...!!...lol
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LMAO, how true was that.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS
Post by: mumzie on August 26, 2005, 10:30:27 PM
Quite true.  And - yes - I do remember the newspaper article. Wouldn't you have shared that if it was about you???
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