Post by: tenpinspro on August 03, 2004, 07:17:23 PM
Specs: 4.25 x 4mb(strong pos), pin 3 inches up from midline over ring, out of box. I chose this pattern to see how strong the ball could be instead of mellowing it out like my other stuff.
For having a little higher rg, this ball revs up...a lot. It skids very cleanly thru any kind of headoil and at 45 ft, LOOK OUT! It just came charging back with authority. I threw it on the carry down lane (see pattern on that thread) where I had to tighten up with the FreakaZoid, Sheer and my Untamed but not this bad boy. I had 15 out on the carrydown lane, I'm not kidding, VERY IMPRESSIVE. I stood in the same spot, threw my Untamed(4.75 x 2.75mb) and the ball took out the 3-6 pocket while the Rule just kept coming back to the pocket. I moved 5 left, hit it little and it came back even harder...man, this ball was something else. One of friends was watching me(Hunt94501), maybe he'll jump in and tell you but all we could say was "wow". I'm definitely going to play with this ball some more before I post a mini. Didn't mention the O/U lane because that was just silly, it was making u-turns on that and smashing as well. So far it looks VERY nice....didn't see any hang from swinging deep inside while the other balls did....a "fluffer's" dream come true.
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Post by: Rock77 on August 04, 2004, 10:19:14 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on August 04, 2004, 10:20:47 AM
King of the mill saw Bob Learn throw this last week and also said it was going SIDEWAYS at 45!
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Post by: tenpinspro on August 04, 2004, 10:31:18 AM
THIS ball would easily handle the med/heavy you asked of and with some kind of turn added to it, it's going to move pretty hard. I hate to make this comparison but it reminds me of my 1st urethane ball, where on the short oil back then, the ball literally out powered the condition. This was the first thought that came to mind...
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 04, 2004, 10:38:30 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on August 04, 2004, 10:45:23 AM
The finish is still a strong arc, okay..very strong arc but it's not a late break that makes it uppredictable. That's why I mentioned the urethane, it wasn't jumpy either, just strong arcing as well.
Post by: BackToBasics on August 04, 2004, 11:08:44 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on August 04, 2004, 04:55:35 PM
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Rick, these were all in box surface? How did the surface of the Rule hold up?
Yes they were all out of box. So far the Rule has held up nicely but it will take more games to see how long. I know what you mean, I saw the UI from Bruns polish up very quickly, like after 2 to 3 games.
With any kind of natural speed and "some" head oil, the Rule was getting down the lane very nicely for me. I think the pattern helped me a lot because I've been drilling most of my arsenal for control but decided to drill this stronger to see how much right room and backend I could create. Still just very impressed with the amount of recovery this ball offered. I'd say that you personally would have to use this on med/heavy to heavy only.
Post by: pnj1967 on August 04, 2004, 08:30:09 PM
Post by: T-Hob on August 05, 2004, 02:16:21 PM
Edited on 8/5/2004 2:10 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on August 06, 2004, 10:40:46 AM
When you throw the Animal on the fresh shot, I would assume you have a fair amount of area down lane correct? For me, the Unleashed is a good carrydown ball after the Animal but imagine having the same amount of room(or more) in carrydown as you did with the Animal in fresh. That's about the best I can describe the Rule presently, being resin, it really sniffs out any dry boards and reacts off of it. As Mr. Munson saw me throw this on the current condition, it really opened up the backends without having to physically try and rev it up which is what I normally have to do to create that area down lane in the heavier carrydown. I actually think it will vary from bowler to bowler based on the thickness of oil that each of see at our houses. My house is using a 65+ density and when that pushes down the lane, some of my particle balls can't give me the same area as I had compared to when it is fresh/clean.
I personally do not feel this ball would be a waste in any sense. It is by far one of the stronger balls that can over power the lane conditions without forcing the bowler to do so.
On a side note, poor Mr Munson came all the way from Greece to see America. As of late, all he's seen is the inside of my shop(we left last nite at 1 am)..
We've had 2 1/2 days of classroom education (which I hope he can remember) and we just started to use some of that instruction yesterday. We plan to have another on-lane vid class as well, good news though, he can now help most in layouts and even explain your mass bias placements to you, right Roy?--------------------
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Post by: T-Hob on August 06, 2004, 01:07:15 PM
Post by: charlest on August 06, 2004, 06:20:48 PM
Right now, I'd guess ... very little.
New resin solid coverstock that makes it seem to work like a particle; both also have an asymmetric core. Hmmm!
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Post by: Traumabill on August 06, 2004, 10:58:11 PM
You are correct in stating the coverstocks are identical.
The Bully's weight block is symmetrical however, Columbia was
able to get the cylinder and the cone to weigh out equal....
There's also no marked mass bias on the Bully, although at 6 3/4
from pin through the CG there would be one if needed....
Close but no cigar....
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 07, 2004, 01:36:44 AM
Traumabill is correct about the core of the Bully. SO, the cores are of two totally different strengths.
Asking the C300 rep at the trade show a few weeks back if they 2 coverstocks are identical he says "No, Track's Rule will roll up sooner and stronger than the Bully".
According to Track and C300, the Goo Coverstock is exclusive to Track. Also, this is just my guess, but I feel that C300 had the core of the Bully go "LESS" asymmetrical because they own Track and Track makes the best asymmetricals on the market right now.
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Post by: tenpinspro on August 07, 2004, 03:24:39 PM
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The Bully's weight block is symmetrical however, Columbia was
able to get the cylinder and the cone to weigh out equal.
Thanks for the info Bill, I kind of figured that since there was no mb marking but now the question is why have that shape? Does that actually spin faster/slower then identical pieces attached to both sides? Just trying to understand the overall design.
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According to Track and C300, the Goo Coverstock is exclusive to Track. Also, this is just my guess, but I feel that C300 had the core of the Bully go "LESS" asymmetrical because they own Track and Track makes the best asymmetricals on the market right now.
I also have the understanding that "GOO" was for Track only. I don't know the exact differences between the 2 covers though technically. Marketing the Bully as symmetrical only makes sense, why compete with yourself? Bruns was doing this for a while when they kept Revolution as their asym/International division and kept their domestic stuff symmetrical. I think the Rebel was the first US release under Revolution, talked to Danny Wiseman in Vegas when this was introduced at the last (free)Pro Source tourney.
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Post by: Traumabill on August 07, 2004, 06:35:01 PM
I'm not real sure why that shape was chosen. I haven't spun
a Bully to see how it spins...I do know that C300 plans to really expand
the Bully line and maybe this is the baseline of things to come similiar
to Morpheus. My guess is it would spin maybe a little faster...
Since Ex's rep stated that Goo was different and mine said it was the same,
I'm going out on a limb here...C300 and BASF did develop a new resin, so
maybe all three (AMF, C300, Track) has slightly different versions of this..
Time will tell...
Bill
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Post by: Lane Bed on August 09, 2004, 12:04:07 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on August 09, 2004, 04:55:02 AM
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And believe it or not Columbia , Track and AMF all compete against each other. Fact!
I definitely understand the competition between AMF because they're not owned by Columbia, they're just making the covers for them. However, interesting point on how far one would go in competition with itself. Would you go so far as to try and put one of your own divisions out of business? That wouldn't make sense to me...just my thoughts.
PS. IMHO, since the participants in our sport have a fair amount of loyalty to particular manufacturers, this would be a little difficult to happen.
Rick
Post by: Strider on August 09, 2004, 02:48:32 PM
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[I definitely understand the competition between AMF because they're not owned by Columbia, they're just making the covers for them.
They used to just make covers for them, but doesn't Columbia own AMF300 now?
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Post by: tenpinspro on August 09, 2004, 04:55:41 PM
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Post by: Lane Bed on August 10, 2004, 01:34:03 AM
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