I am medium rev player somewhat of a stroker and somewhat of a tweener, probably more of a tweener. I throw the ball between 15.80 and 16.70 miles per hour so ive read on my saturday night league on the screen. I track about 2 inches from the fingers and thumb. Im told I spin the ball a bit but lately I havent. Has something to do with the ball in my backswing. Im not sure of my pap and axis tilt, but if you explain to me, im sure I can explain it.

No im redrilling it, it has the pin low but the mb on the left side of the thumb. I have tried polishing it and everything, nothing works, it is just lazy.

lilphyzx, as mentioned it would depend on your PAP position. Another factor is where are you going to place the MB?
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Amateur/Pro Shop Staff

How do you determine your pap and what do you guys think of the rule on heavier mediums with a pin up drill.

Lilphyzx-

This was answered in a recent (one week-two weeks ago?) topic by one of "the crew" with a link ( http://home.mchsi.com/~s-cross-7-28-71/FAQ.htm ) to a website containing a slew of information on bowling ball terms.  The information below is quoted from that site.

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"PAP (POSITIVE AXIS POINT)
The axis of the ball during the first few revolutions that is created totally by the bowler's release style. The point on the ball that is equidistant from all points of the release ball track.
Ways to find it:
Least accurate: Draw a perpendicular (90°) line 6.75" from your track through grip center the end of the line will be close to your PAP.
Very accurate: Use an Armadillo Axis point locator tool. Place the Armadillo on your track using the line that most closely represents your track arc and mark the spot indicated by the Armadillo.
Exact: Roll low flare (spare) ball down the center of the lane where the highest concentration of oil is then using a grease pencil trace your track. Place the ball in a spinner with the track down and orient the ball to where when it it spinning the trace line doesn't wobble up and down. Then take the pencil and place it on the top of the ball and move it around until it goes from making a circle to a defined dot, or use a quarter scale/pro sect tool and draw a line connecting your track at points that are 180° from each other and repeat the step at a point near 90° from the first line where the 2 lines intersect is your PAP. If you do not have a low flare ball you can use any ball as long as you use the track that is closest to your thumb and farthest from your fingers. This is the release track, because as a ball flares the track migrates away from the thumb and towards the fingers.
If anyone would like reasons for why one is more/less accurate than the other I would be happy to explain."

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I'm sure one of "the crew" will be on shortly to help you right after you post your PAP information.  They're very good about keeping a watchful eye for situations where their assistance is needed!

*On edit:  I would suggest using the "exact method" to find your PAP.  Using a plastic ball to find it works sufficiently.
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Jeff Voght
PBA Eastern Region Member


Edited on 1/21/2005 10:22 AM