Post by: tenpinspro on July 15, 2004, 03:13:11 PM
Rule: Reactive - High Performance
Very strong recovery from the midlane, saw the ball in Vegas too and said where it was normally OB/hang, the guys were able to bring it out of there. Based on the higher rg(than the Untamed), this should get down the lane easier with a strong arcing motion in the back because the diff is listed at only .046. His comparison was that it looked like a stronger Unleashed.
FreakaZoid: Reactive - Mid Price Plus
Just like we expected, very smooth and controlled. Clean thru the heads and less backend than the Freak. We both agreed this would also be a very nice ball for guys who still like to hit up on it and not have it hook off the lane. He was very interested personally in this ball.
Hexplosion: Lite Particle - Mid Price
Unlike what I mentioned before about more length, he now said it actually has more hook than the Crash due to it's particle cover. Same weightblock as the Hextreme, he didn't get to see this ball a whole lot. Good introductory ball that offers more hook at an affordable price.
My personal choice? I still want the FreakaZoid, too many O/U house shots around and this sounds very nice and controlled. Shouldn't have to take away too much of the balls power/potential because of my speed either, I'm very eager to throw this one!
Alright, I picked mine, what's yours???
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Post by: Ernie McCracken on July 16, 2004, 07:38:26 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 16, 2004, 08:09:50 AM
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Post by: Rock77 on July 16, 2004, 10:10:13 AM
Personally I cant wait for the Rule, but maybe I can find a spot for the Freak-a-zoid too!!
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Post by: srlunatic on July 16, 2004, 10:12:55 AM
Like the thought of a stronger Unleashed....if it hits like the Unleashed I will be a very happy puppy!!!!
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 16, 2004, 10:14:26 AM
See my reply up above re: the FAZ.......
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Post by: Ernie McCracken on July 16, 2004, 10:57:27 AM
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Like the thought of a stronger Unleashed....if it hits like the Unleashed I will be a very happy puppy!!!!
My thoughts exactly!
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Post by: dw23 on July 16, 2004, 11:09:11 AM
I've finally gotten my wish. The Unleashed in a reactive cover. I will get the Rule to replace my Untamed. (I use it but don't really like it).
I will definitely have the Freak-A-Zoid. Sounds like a ball I can use when the mid-lane starts to hook.
Thanks for the information Rick. As always we really appreciate your efforts to keep everyone informed.
DW
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 16, 2004, 02:01:53 PM
From what I am hearing I see the FreakaZoid being slightly stronger in the backends than the Sheer Havoc, but with a little more length.
I like the idea of the Rule because of the mention of strong arcing motion at the breakpoint. Balls that are strong at the breakpoint but are not flippy are really turning into a necessity in today's bowling environment. That kind of ball can be used on a variety of shots. Infact, I like balls that are like that on shorter patterns because they tend to hook/set better....where polish will grab the dry boards and FLY away.
Hexplosion sounds good------for control.
all of the above said, but there is no telling until I get a chance to throw them or see them thrown.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 16, 2004, 02:04:43 PM
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From what I am hearing I see the FreakaZoid being slightly stronger in the backends than the Sheer Havoc, but with a little more length.
Ex, .... ??
With 2.45 and a symmetrical morpheous core ? ....longer than the Sheer ?
kotm told me the FAZ should be earlier and stronger than the Rush as well, but that didn't surprise me........
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Edited on 7/16/2004 2:03 PM
Post by: The great one on July 16, 2004, 02:11:33 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 16, 2004, 02:48:51 PM
You have to do a direct comparison:
Sheer Havoc:
Length: 4
Backend: 6
Core Power: 7
RG: 2.47
Diff: .048
Flare Potential: 5inches
Friction Rating: 8.0
FreakaZoid:
Length:6
Backend: 7
Core Power: 6.5
RG:2.455
Diff: .048
Flare Potential: 6 inches
Friction Rating: 6.5
2.455 vs 2.47 is really not that much of a variation between the differentials. If you look at the rest of the numbers.....freakazoid has more lenth, more backend, and a lower friction rating. So I still think longer and stronger than the Sheer Havoc. I know that kotm knows what he is talking about, so I am probably wrong. I hope I am wrong, because as I said in referance to the Rule, I like the smoother reacting stuff as opposed to more angular.
Not to mention....as I stated in your thread about crunch time vs crash....the ratings can be off.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 16, 2004, 02:51:02 PM
Thanks EX! I see.......
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Edited on 7/16/2004 2:48 PM
Post by: Traumabill on July 16, 2004, 08:39:27 PM
Thinking Rule and FAZ ,myself. Rule to complement Unleashed,
FAZ potentially with the TT. Any V2 like look works well for me.
I'm going to see Mr. Learn at the LI trade show tomorrow. I'll keep you
posted as to his thoughts...
Bill
Bowling Services Unlimited
Post by: Traumabill on July 17, 2004, 11:10:41 PM
three new balls. His take:
The Rule - Like most of us had hoped, this is the reactive version of the Unleashed...a little stronger, if that's possible. More angular. Chuck said this more than likely will be the benchmark ball when looking for that (skid/flip) type of ball reaction. Compared to the Rule, the Unleashed is a little 'softer'. Both will hit like the proverbial truck. He couldn't say enough about the Goo coverstock. Right now it's proprietary to Track- (Columbia and AMF are not using it yet).
FAZ - Not a V2 type reaction. A more controlled version of the Freak, with a
backend that won't stop driving. It will rev up a little quicker, sacrificing
some of the Freak's angularity. (for control).
Hexplosion - A Scout killer. The most hook for the mid to low price buck. I can see a lot of people buying this based on price point alone....
Bob Learn wasn't there, Marianne DiRupo was. She hadn't thrown any of the new balls yet...
One more thing...there's another release coming in October...although anyone's guess is good at this point. I won't even speculate...didn't have enough action to bribe Chuck ...
Bill
Bowling Services Unlimited
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 18, 2004, 12:04:55 AM
The Rule sounds better the more I hear about it. From what I have read though you are getting early roll but with a strong backend. It was mentioned that it would be a benchmark skid flip ball....doesn't early roll contradict skid/flip? I will be at a trade show this week and I believe that Del will be there so maybe I can get the info from the sournce directly.
All in all thought the 3 new releases sound VERY interesting. 3 totally different reactions.....and 2 more reactives coming. That is great.
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Post by: D McLaughlin on July 18, 2004, 12:40:16 AM
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Umm....Walter Ray....its customary to hand over your wallet AFTER I beat you. Its not like we haven't been through this a hundred times.
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 19, 2004, 07:39:53 AM
The Rule and FAZ will complement each other very nicely....yes ? One early and smooth, the other longer and more angular......
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 20, 2004, 07:49:46 AM
Without seeing them thrown yet, that is what I am expecting.
-EX-
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 20, 2004, 07:54:18 AM
Makes enough sense, just seeing what the "smart people" know so far !
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 20, 2004, 11:06:23 AM
You mention "smart" people but I'll answer anyway. These 2 balls based on numbers should definately make your "1-2" punch. With the FreakaZoid(polished) having a very low rg, it should pull early while the Rule is showing the higher rg, it should get down the lane fairly easy with just some head oil and have a nice strong arcing backend.
Rick
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 20, 2004, 11:12:16 AM
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Hey Jeff,
You mention "smart" people but I'll answer anyway.
Well Rick, now that you mention it, I wasn't referring to you !
quote:
These 2 balls based on numbers should definately make your "1-2" punch. With the FreakaZoid(polished) having a very low rg, it should pull early
Rick, saw the add, factory finish says "compound" ...so I'm not sure how it's going to come box....
Thanks
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JEFF
There is doing in not doing
Post by: tenpinspro on July 20, 2004, 11:17:12 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 20, 2004, 11:18:37 AM
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Sorry, didn't even see the add yet. Still basing on the BBR specs, unless that has changed also...
BBR shows it polished, the add shows it compound, so......I'll send it to ya!
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JEFF
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