Post by: Sir Track on June 30, 2004, 08:43:40 PM
Phenom U2 is a overseas ball
and will not be released in the states.
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Edited on 7/1/2004 12:00 PM
Post by: Rock77 on July 01, 2004, 12:08:39 PM
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Post by: HamPster on July 01, 2004, 12:21:52 PM
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No, really, I like you. Now, by all means, feel free to go fornicate yourself with a sharp object.
Post by: Maelstrom on July 01, 2004, 02:35:04 PM
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Storm need more YELLOW and ORANGE balls!
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on July 01, 2004, 04:48:21 PM
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16 years and still going strong! 16 years old that is!
The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior PrincessAnd why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS!
Post by: Rock77 on July 01, 2004, 04:56:27 PM
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Post by: northface28 on July 01, 2004, 05:34:01 PM
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Post by: northface28 on July 01, 2004, 05:45:47 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 01, 2004, 05:46:35 PM
Rick
Post by: tenpinspro on July 01, 2004, 06:33:40 PM
Check out Track's website and you'll see the core on the Hextreme.
http://www.columbia300.com/trackarchives/balls.cfm?bid=14
My EZ Money did go pretty long, thought it was me but Duke pulled it out on the show a couple of times when he was playing the ditch which looked dry out there.
Rick
Post by: track_freak on July 01, 2004, 07:17:32 PM
Post by: twister on July 01, 2004, 09:12:53 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 02, 2004, 12:57:45 AM
hexlposion.....longer than the Crash? that sounds awesome.
Freakazoid....I cannot figure out how they made this core symetrical.
track keeps changing things up a bit.....they are still tops in my book.
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Post by: The great one on July 02, 2004, 01:02:01 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 02, 2004, 07:25:44 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on July 02, 2004, 07:42:29 AM
The core on the Hexplosion is again the famous ceramaslam core which has been on about 15 different balls.
Tweaks are usually to the lower denisty piece.
Others with this basic core.
Nighthawk Revenge, Michael Jordan, Slam, Spell, Nighthawk SPT, Firehawk,
Ti Hawk (with rg lowering center), Firehawk/C(lower rg Ti Hawk core), Hextreme, Crash(even lower rg), now the Hex plosion. Looks most similar to the Spell with the Particle coverstock.
Funny thing. I've got two great shape Ti Hawks for sale, one Nighthawk Revenge and a Spell. All still work great, Spell is biggest backend ball I have and I tear up Shorter type sport patterns with the Ti Hawk.
REgards,
Luckylefty
NOte in general these are fairly high rg's for most of todays conditions, balls tend to go a long ways straight before making a big move.
PPS Note I"ve used my spell on super long oil, and pointed and torn em up because of point and backend! Note too long on many league conditions where I want to swing.
Post by: BackToBasics on July 02, 2004, 10:02:48 AM
The Crash doesn't use the same core as the HexExtreme/HexPlosion. It uses the core of Voodoo/Mojo.
The Freak-a-zoid sounds the most intriguing, adding another low RG symmetrical ball to the Sheer Havoc. More choices for control balls. Sounds like they are really expanding their arsenal to cover a wide range of reactions/players.
Post by: tenpinspro on July 02, 2004, 10:46:09 AM
The FreakaZoid(2.455,.048) almost matches the rg level of the RevMaster(2.46,.059) but even has a lower diff which should control the flare, definitely agree on the control reaction here.
Anybody want to guess on the block on the FreakaZoid(no pic)? I don't know either, rev plate with no attachments or rev plate with equal weighted attachments? Ex, Chapman, any guesses?
Rick
Edited on 7/2/2004 10:46 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 02, 2004, 01:09:22 PM
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Post by: northface28 on July 06, 2004, 06:05:45 PM
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Post by: charlest on July 06, 2004, 07:41:28 PM
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OMFG, did you read the specs on the Rule!! ITS A REACTIVE BALL!! That ball is going to be INSANE!! Where can I pre order mine?!?!?
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"Why cant I just throw the ball the same way EVERY TIME??
So in what way will it differ from the Animal Untamed, that it has you so "excited"?
The AU is also a reactive with the asymmetrical Morpheus core.
Wonder what the difference will be?
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Like LuckyLefty, I feel this seems like a whole lotta fuss about a whole lotta dejavu, all over again.
If the Rule is the "equivalent" of the BUlly, this'll be the first time Track, doing the initial research, brought out a ball AFTER Columbia, its owner.
Appearances can be deceiving; so we'll wait and see.
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Edited on 7/6/2004 7:49 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 06, 2004, 08:06:07 PM
Crunch Time, Triple Threat, Havoc, Sheer Havoc, Thrash, Crash, Dry Heat.
I also think there is a huge misconception about the "hookmonsters" Track releases. If you place the MB in a strong position, then without a doubt it is going to be a big hooking oil ball, but if you place the pin in a weak position and MB in a weak position they really are not that big of "hookmonsters". They are infact very versatile.
Another thing--------if there is such a rule I have not read it>>>>>>saying that coverstocks cannot be altered from their factory finish. Coverstock surface is going to determine the reaction you get out of a ball. I understand the difference between particle and reactive, but polish is polish and it will tame both of them down quite a bit.
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Post by: Rock77 on July 06, 2004, 10:43:59 PM
The write up on the Rule that gets me excited is that it is a reactive that is supposed to act like a particle. Plus, its a new coverstock, which also gets me excited. The AU was a tweaked core in an older cover. This ball should be different than the AU.
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Post by: charlest on July 06, 2004, 11:08:40 PM
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Charlest,
The write up on the Rule that gets me excited is that it is a reactive that is supposed to act like a particle. Plus, its a new coverstock, which also gets me excited. The AU was a tweaked core in an older cover. This ball should be different than the AU.
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"Why cant I just throw the ball the same way EVERY TIME??
Quite possible, thus the phraseology I used. I was not being sarcastic, but literal.
There are many strong resins out there, some of which have been reviewed to act like particles: Rush, Messenger Ti Traction, Anomaly, among others. Whether they do or not for an individual is more probably based on the bowler's delivery, the drilling and the surface preparation than several other factors.
Columbia's newest, the Bully, also is said to work this way.
For whatever it's worth, please keep in mind, that particle or resin, dull balls also die (or lose reaction) very quickly solely by the speed in which their surface absorbs oil, not just when their particles get worn down. Cleanliness is next to "long-lasting-ness" so to speak, in this case. WHat I am taking the long way round in saying is get the ball that works for what you want it to do, not because it's a resin or a particle or whatever.
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Post by: Rock77 on July 06, 2004, 11:19:55 PM
Resin or particle, this ball is going to be a winner. I didnt initially jump on it because it is a resin but more because I like what Track is doing and this ball will fit where I need it to. I understand that ALL balls need to be cleaned on a regular basis and I keep up with my equipment regularly in order to prolong the life of it. I hope this ball comes out soon cause I cant wait to get my hands on one.
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Post by: charlest on July 06, 2004, 11:30:26 PM
Let us know how it reacts for you, when you do get it.
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 08, 2004, 06:56:53 PM
Post by: charlest on July 08, 2004, 10:38:30 PM
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Rick,quote:
A correction to my earlier post. The Hexplosion has a polished Wow II
Actually it's Power Plus reactive.
Precision
If the Hex-plosion has this resin cover, then it's just the AMF Hawk
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=245
AND the Track Hex-Treme
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=1342
all over again. Are you sure, Precision?
Even Track is not likely to do a 3rd re-incarnation of a ball.
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 09, 2004, 07:30:41 AM
Just saw that BBR corrected their previous info. If that's the case, Charlest is dead on about the Hex-Treme(RG 2.58, Diff. 047) same properties. Just not sure on the cover differences(both reactive). The Hawk (which is Del's core) from AMF days has a little higher diff of .050.
I think I want to try the FreakaZoid on lite reverses, sounds very even and controlled. Too bad I didn't have this in time for Nats.
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 09, 2004, 08:48:04 AM
I listed 11 balls and for some reason I included crash. I think I was trying to say crunch! See crunch with same core shape but a larger nugget in center than Ti Hawk lowering rg slightly.
I tried to give too much information got caught on my one mistake and like a politician focus was on the mistake.
Oh well.
91% a passing grade in school but not on the closely watched track forum.
REgards,
Luckylefty
Summary these are a great core but often are a little higher rg than today's conditions call for, in my opinion. Basically we have a Spell here!
Great ball I use for long wet flat patterns when I point. High rg gets me straight to the breakpoint, flip blocks give me the move that carries.
Post by: northface28 on July 09, 2004, 03:02:02 PM
I said the same thing another person said and you single me out? Why? I said that its about time the started making balls that appeal to a wider range of bowlers if you re-read the posts you should find the other reply from a fellow member. I dont care what you think or say, Track was a little too "particle" heavy for quite some time. In my mind and the mind of many others Track released far too many particle/and or aggressive cored balls. If you think its necessary to carry 6-8 particle balls most of which having assymetrical cores, then.....................
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 09, 2004, 04:58:33 PM
I am sorry if you took my post as an aggressive statement against you. It was not intended that way at all. That is the reason I stated which balls I was talking about as well. Particle does not necessarily mean stronger. That was the purpose of saying what I did. With no question Track's highend stuff has been made to hook, but there was/is plenty of options in their midpriced line that offers versatility for conditions under med/heavy.
Once again, I apologize if you took it the wrong way, it was not meant to be an attack on you.
-EX-
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Post by: northface28 on July 09, 2004, 05:06:52 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on July 10, 2004, 10:26:41 AM
No need to get defensive. You gave a little bit of misinformation (didn' know it was a mistake) and I corrected it. Isn't that what this forum is for? If I posted say that the Spell was resin wouldn't you or someone else correct me?
Regarding the high RG, it's needed on a lot of late block/bad heads/dry conditions that's very common on the East. However, I was in Dallas a two months ago and when you are the 3rd shift of a 5man team tournament on old wooden lanes, you need as much length as possible!
Edited on 7/10/2004 3:11 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on July 13, 2004, 10:56:31 AM
I need to make a correction to my correction which was a correction...
Actually Precision, I was incorrect on my statement of BBR changing the info on the Hex-plosion(it's still showing Wow II). I confused it with another post on the FreakaZoid from Excaliber. Where did you hear that it was Power Plus Reactive, just curious?
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=2396
Sorry for the confusion guys....
Rick
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 13, 2004, 11:07:26 AM
There was an add in the Bowlers Journal with the Freakazoid being power plus reactive
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 13, 2004, 11:15:18 AM
Post by: BackToBasics on July 13, 2004, 11:31:40 AM
That thread confused me (about the specs being wrong on bowlingballreview) also. I thought that BBR had always had the FreakaZoid listed as reactive. The only one listed with WOW2 was the HexPlosion. I thought maybe it changed after a day or so.
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Thanks Ex but when did BBR show the FreakaZoid with Wow II? Was it early on because the printout I have already shows that it was reactive(7/2/04).
Post by: tenpinspro on July 13, 2004, 11:56:52 AM
I thought Ex was just toying with this old man's "lack" of memory skills. I'm on the Gingkoba thing but I just keep forgetting to take it...
Post by: BackToBasics on July 13, 2004, 12:19:38 PM
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Hey Anthony,
I thought Ex was just toying with this old man's "lack" of memory skills. I'm on the Gingkoba thing but I just keep forgetting to take it...
Post by: tenpinspro on July 13, 2004, 12:38:33 PM
Post by: BackToBasics on July 13, 2004, 12:56:40 PM
Hey, I had just finished watching Short Circuit and was in an El Debarge mood! Quote
Yes, those too. Dino, Pebbles and Barney taste the best. Okay, since
you're in a good mood, will everybody please take out their Track catalog and turn to the back cover. From looking at the pics, you will notice that Chapman and I use the "SAME" comb!....Game On!...
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 13, 2004, 06:28:08 PM
Serious note, sorry Ex, my question was actually for Precision.
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Rick,
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A correction to my earlier post. The Hexplosion has a polished Wow II
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Actually it's Power Plus reactive.
I was wondering where Precision heard that the Hexplosion was PPR, I was just confused. Thanks....
Rick
Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on July 13, 2004, 09:59:24 PM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on July 15, 2004, 03:51:30 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on July 16, 2004, 05:38:22 AM
Rick