Author Topic: Rule Hooks Less than Big Block Diesel (Read 1893 times)

shaochieh · « **on:** November 28, 2004, 06:22:09 AM »

I am stroker and normally play down and in. I am having a problem with my Rule hooking less than BB Diesel. BB Diesel have factory finish on it and Rule also have factory finished on it. I have Rule drilled pin above the bridge and the BBD pin next to my ring finger. Do you guys think I should sand the rule down to 1000 and polish it up a little to save some energy?

a_ak57 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 28, 2004, 02:34:22 PM »

Pin over bridge is too weak for a stroker unless your a spinner or something and your PAP is like 3" over. And if you roll it up the back like a lot of strokers, your PAP is probably 5 and a half inches or something from the pin. That is pretty weak, especially since your a stroker, and since going off of that, your diesel is a 4-4.5 by whatever so it is going to be stronger.

I'd say you will have to redrill it if you want it to be stronger than the BBD.
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icetink · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2004, 02:40:00 PM »

I suggest taking the surface down 1000-grit or 800-grit. If that doesn't work well for you, I'd suggest drilling the Rule the same as your BBD. Having the pin above the bridge for a stroker is relatively weak so that may be why it's hooking less.
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shaochieh · « **Reply #3 on:** November 28, 2004, 02:40:22 PM »

It is pretty hard to get a ball done right while station in Germany. I think I will send it home to the same guy who drilled my ball. I know this ball is got more power and hook behind it. I might just buy another one and have it drill much stronger. Thanks everyone.

Edited on 11/29/2004 0:04 AM

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #4 on:** November 28, 2004, 09:58:10 PM »

The pin placement on the Rule is definately weaker than that of the bbd, but where is the MB on the Rule located?

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shaochieh · « **Reply #5 on:** November 28, 2004, 11:05:28 PM »

Looking at the ball the MB is on the right side of my thumb hole.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2004, 12:14:13 AM »

Here is something you could do. Take the Rule and sand it to box finish. Put absolutely NO polish on it. I drilled one for a guy who works at my center. I put the pin below his ring finger and the mass bias in a strong position. He is not a high rev rate player by any stretch, but that ball hooks alot. We have synthetics with an oil pattern of 38 feet buff to 42 feet. He was playing 18 at the arrows swinging to 5 with plenty of backend reaction. Granted the balls are not drilled the same, but you get the picture. ALSO......word has it that with most newer Track balls, you MUST drill the ball with pin UNDER the fingers. If sanding the ball does not work, try drilling the ball pin under ring finger mass swung right of the thumb hole.
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Burak Natal · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2004, 12:43:55 AM »

shaochieh, where do you live in Germany?

Peter Knopp is one of the best drillers in Europe and he is German.
He will be in Singapore for the next 15 days but I have no doubt that he can help you after he's back.
I can message you his e-mail.

Regards,
Burak

shaochieh · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2004, 02:05:08 AM »

I live in Stuttgart Germany where we make Porsche's and Mercedes.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2004, 03:28:57 AM »

Hey Shao,

The guys are right, with the pin above bridge does make the ball weaker in overall strength on an average but it is more relevant to where it sits in regards to your pap. Easiest way is to try sanding the cover down first to save from plugging the ball. However, if that doesn't work, I'd recommend plugging it and redrilling it similar to what TwoHand stated, you can even place the mb near your val to help it pull up some (or keep mb 2.5-3.5 inches on the new placement to help create a sooner roll). Hope this helps...

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shaochieh · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2004, 03:20:41 PM »

Well no go. I sand it down to 1000 today and not much reaction. The ball will turn but not much power left on it. I have to change my release a little to get anything out of it. Plus we play after many hobby bowlers and have carry down from hell. I don't know if it is me or the ball. I think I need to plug in and go for a redrill.

Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2004, 03:54:43 PM »

I would shine it and use it for a go long and backend ball instead of trying to make it out hook your Big Block. The way you have it drilled it should be a good all around ball but it is not a big hooking layout for you. I would drill another one like your big block and let it out backend your Big Block.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2004, 03:27:42 AM »

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I think I need to plug in and go for a redrill.

That sounds like the plan then Shao. If you need any help, just holler.
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #13 on:** December 02, 2004, 08:51:54 AM »

If you are wanting just straight out more hook than the Big Block you should drill an Animal. It flares more in the middle of the lane like the Big Block but has more hook. I would leave your Rule alone and use if for more medium conditions. The rule can out hook your Big Block but yours is not drilled for that type of hook.

One question you need to ask yourself.

DO YOU SCORE WELL WITH THE RULE GOING STRAGHTER OR ON LESS OIL.

If you do you should leave your Rule as it is and either drill another one stronger or drill an Animal.
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seadrive · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2004, 09:33:22 AM »

As a Track newbie (I'm mostly a D/T guy), maybe I'm missing something, but... why would anyone expect a Rule to outhook a Big Block Diesel? The diff rg on the Rule is 0.046, while that of the BBD is something like 0.062. They both have aggressive reactive covers.

The Rule may be a great ball (haven't been able to use mine much yet), but its greatness is not that it hooks more than anything else. As stated above, it's not even the hookingest ball in Track's lineup, so it's not all about hook.

If I'm wrong about this (always a good possibility

), please explain why you think a Rule should hook more than a Big Block Diesel, given the same layout and similar cover prep.
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