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flickerooni

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Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« on: April 01, 2005, 08:12:53 AM »
I'm torn apart between this 3 balls here now, because the balls I always choose turn out to be a wrong choice for me. I'm currently using a storm Flash Flood (which is for heavy oil, but I seem to be able to make it hook on broken down lanes is it because it is a particle ball?)
Is the Animal reactive or particle?
I have med-high rev & speed, & I usually do sideways roll, but can do forward if I want to
Please tell me what u think is a better choice for heavy oil or the ball that "SURE HOOKS" Thx

 

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 08:12:35 PM »
Between those three, the Animal is the best. It has Mega Fang particle cover, and WAS the biggest oil monster in Track's line until the Rule GP2 came along. I would have to suggest a GP2 if you are looking for something to work in the oil. Arsenal Aggressive is not a bad choice either.

GP2 is my choice....813 with my second one the first 3 games out of the box in league!

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2005, 08:22:07 PM »
Stay away from the Untamed for soaked lanes. I have mine drilled stacked and it will go on med-heavy but heavy or flooded, no way. I agree go with the animal but actually I also agree.....just go get a GP2 and tell us when you get that first 800, won't take you long, lol. Ok maybe not quite that good but trust me it is a great ball.
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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2005, 11:28:10 PM »
flickerooni,

Of the 3 you listed the Animal is the better choice for oil. As mentioned, the GP2 is better yet, but if you have to stay with the 3 you decided I believe you would be most happy with the Animal. The Rule can work, but it does not roll as early in oil as the Animal does, and that is required on a heavy oil condition. The Untamed picks up a good midlane roll, but it is really not strong enough for heavy oil.

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2005, 11:57:00 PM »
Sounds like we have a winner/winner(s). The Animal out of your 3, and the GP2 overall. Everyone posted the same thing. I never have seen so much agreement over a bowling ball choice!
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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2005, 06:13:00 AM »
hm... but singapore is very slow in importing balls other than brunswick I have not seen any GP2s in any proshop yet. Since GP2s so good, maybe I'll just wait for it to come out. But as I said, I bought a Flash Flood which has a particle coverstock & I just cant make it hook even 5 boards

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2005, 08:08:21 AM »
Its fresh oil... had a few trainings in the morning when the alley just open. But maybe its not oily enough (that I dunno) All I know is that Flash Flood can hook on broken down lanes but not on fresh oil. My friends' Danger IV (also particle) hooks like 3 boards in fresh oil but 5 times more in med.
This' why I'm wary of particle balls now & am trying to avoid them.
Anybody knows a ball that is playable (as in "sure" hook) in all conditions?

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2005, 03:07:36 PM »
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Its fresh oil... had a few trainings in the morning when the alley just open. But maybe its not oily enough (that I dunno) All I know is that Flash Flood can hook on broken down lanes but not on fresh oil. My friends' Danger IV (also particle) hooks like 3 boards in fresh oil but 5 times more in med.
This' why I'm wary of particle balls now & am trying to avoid them.
Anybody knows a ball that is playable (as in "sure" hook) in all conditions?


Well no particle will hook in all conditions, the GP2 will hook in oil, trust me it is a monster, but put it on dry lanes and it will just burn out as soon as it hits the lanes which makes it seem like it can't hook but really it is just burning up and you simply need to be using a less aggressive ball. For heavy oil, go with the GP2 mate, can't go wrong.
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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2005, 04:20:05 PM »
hm... then maybe the fresh oil here is not oily enough for this kind of particle balls... is this' the case, what should I do? polish it?
I think I better buy a reactive ball then, so animal's out? so left rule & animal untamed?

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2005, 09:57:45 PM »
A GP2 with a nice compound finish can be used on mediums.

If your Flash Flood is not hooking enough on a fresh shot, the GP2 with its OOB finish will do the job.


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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2005, 10:28:17 PM »
If you want to see a ball move, I would not go for dull particles. Dull particles are NOT MEANT TO MOVE! If you want to see them move, put a little polish on them. People get confused with balls with a lot of surface because you have to play a lot straighter with them to keep your carry up! There is not a lot of room to swing, because by the time it swings back, all its energy has been used up!

I have never run into a condition (Even when the lanes were flooded like at the mjma tournament today, those who bowled it can attest to this) that a polished solid/particle will move less in the backend for my style than a dull reactive/particle! I would like to see some mjma members reply to this and affirm the fact that the lanes had AT LEAST 70 units inside of the 5 board to start with carrydown from open bowlers. I ended up using a POLISHED saw blade because the little backend reaction that it gave me was better than the burning out reaction I was getting from my other equipment!

Before I bought another ball, the first thing I would do is polish it. If that doesn't work, you might think about getting a different strong ball and polishing that!

I think many on this board can understand what I am talking about when i say that yes, dull balls hook more throughout the lane, but to the average bowler, slightly polished strong equipment LOOKS like it hooks more, even on the heaviest of oil, and can often hit better.

The crankers today were all even bringing gp2's, wmb's, scb's and the like and playing up the 10 board! The oil was very heavy to start with, but playable as the scores could attest to. I played straight up 5 with a 3 board hook at the end (yes, 3 boards) for a bowler that is used to swinging 3rd arrow out to the 5 or 6 board and watching the ball come screaming back! Luckily i have played on enough conditions that i could exploit this condition to the best of my ability (cut was to 16 out of 77, i was 17th, missed the cut by 17 pins).


Prime example of polished ball hooking more than similar dull ball- My track phenom, 1000 grit polished, pin under ring versus my 500 grit diesel particle, pin under ring. I have NEVER run into a condition where the diesel allowed me to swing the ball more than the phenom, never!


I believe this is the biggest misconseption about dull equipment, especially particle. People ask for balls that hook, and drillers give them balls with a lot of surface and early rolling drills. Now, for some bowlers with a lot of speed or little revs, this works, but for all of us inbetween, THIS IS NOT A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE THEY DON"T KNOW HOW TO USE THE EQUIPMENT! Dull balls are just not meant to be swung!

btw, a kid today had a gp2 and a wmb drilled similarly, and they both hooked the EXACT same amount (little joke based on another thread). Sorry for the long reply, I think it was worth it to make my point though.
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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2005, 10:43:59 PM »
I agree with stanski, dull balls will hook more when oil is present and polished balls will not move. If you plan on covering boards with a dull ball there had better be plenty oil present. Notice I said dull balls, no particle balls. Polish or even sanded with a higher grit sandpaper can help this out tremendously.

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2005, 11:39:33 PM »
okay... so I'll go polish my ball soon & see how it reacts
Rule is a dull ball right? Do all dull ball seem to hook less than polished? (for both reactive & particle)

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2005, 12:10:44 AM »
Dull balls appear to hook less because they try and do roll earlier due to the cover creating more friction with the lane, where as the polished ball saves its energy for down the lane becuase it can not create as much friction against the lane surface due to the polish. Thats why polished balls (Xception, Angular) have big backends, all the energy is stored for down the lane.

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Re: Rule vs Animal vs Animal Untamed
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2005, 04:21:09 PM »
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I agree with stanski, dull balls will hook more when oil is present and polished balls will not move. If you plan on covering boards with a dull ball there had better be plenty oil present. Notice I said dull balls, no particle balls. Polish or even sanded with a higher grit sandpaper can help this out tremendously.

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Thanks for pointing this out ex, I forgot to mention the fact that when I'm talking dull, I'm talking 800 grit and below!
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