Author Topic: Scroggins: The Story of Triumph and Tradegy... (Read 2508 times)

SteveAustin2808 · « **on:** February 12, 2006, 10:24:18 AM »

Hey FASTTRACKERS,

I figured before anybody more than likely would get on here and start bashing Scroggins once again...I wanted to post and say that regardless of the result of his performance on the TV show (once again)...I have the utmost respect for him...the comments I've read in past threads about him being "ugly", about him "throwing it straight", him "not being that great of a bowler"...I feel, in my opinion, he is being disrespected in that sense and this everyone is NOT right...I feel he has made great representation with Track since making the shows other than the Masters telecast...another point I'd like to make is the "league bowler" comment he made at the Masters, this lack of success on TV is probably him being paid back for making that comment, because I know it didn't set well with alot of people that write in any forum on BallReviews.com...

In closing, I would just like to say, I base my likes and dislikes mostly by attitudes and character..even some of the bowlers that I look up to on the TV, I have heard negative stories about from various people...I take stuff like this into consideration...but the negativity put towards Scroggins to demean his character to me is totally unacceptable...we all have our right to say what we feel...but I ask that you base your likes and dislikes for the right reasons, and not just to say "well he's ugly" or "he's not that great of a bowler"...the last comment I feel is very untrue...if he wasn't that great of a bowler, he wouldn't be making telecasts on a consistent basis and on such demanding conditions like the PBA..

NOTE: The following is an opinion by SteveAustin2808, this opinion does NOT represent any affiliation with anyone on BallReviews.com and does NOT mean anything negative towards any users that post in the Track forum or any other forum on BallReviews.com...I have a high respect for each and every user that posts on here and I'm NOT BASHING anyones opinion what-so-ever...God Bless you and have a great week!

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a_ak57 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2006, 06:28:47 PM »

Nice post. Personally I have nothing against him. My only beef is that I like seeing different people on the show each week. But basically there have been only 3 spots for TV recently.

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a_ak57 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2006, 07:45:49 PM »

Hey, I didn't say he's ugly, I just said that's what I think of when I see him.

You gotta admit, he has the look of a squirrel. Kind of how some people associate John Kerry with Frankenstein, and Bush with a monkey. And how many hollywood celebs look like skeletons.
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Rev_O · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2006, 10:46:46 PM »

I give the guy a ton of credit. It is extremely difficult to make TV once in a season, let alone 5 times. IMO, the last few episodes have been more bad execusion than anything else. When he threw the Robo today with the correct speed, it was flush, but a little quick with his speed like he was today, and it's welcome to bucketville. I just don't see where all they people are coming from bashing him because he lost on TV?? Remeber, he bowled great all week to make it to TV!! Most of you forget that though!

Congrats Scroggs, and keep it up!!
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2006, 10:55:40 PM »

Revo,

Nicely put!!!!!
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2006, 11:23:14 PM »

Is he ugly? I guess you could say so. Just your opinion.
Does he throw it straight? Compared to most, yes.
Is he a great bowler? Compared to me, yes.

What does any of this have to do with Track being a high quality product? Absolutely nothing.

What does his appearance, physical game or talent got to do with anything?
Absolutely nothing

The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. He has made the show several times and has chosen to use Track equipment. Seems every year, someone on tour gets hot, and this year it seems to be Mr. Scroggins.

His bad luck on the show has just about the same to do with any of the above mentioned things. It's not the equipment, talent, or "looks" that are doing him in. Just not in the cards for him to win. When it is, he will win.

Top pro's are ALL good. And good at what they do. He chooses to play a straighter shot than most, but if he was winning, people would think him a genius and be emulating him as close as possible.

P.S. I seem to remember another lefty who threw it pretty straight to. Let's see, what was the name? Oh yeah, Anthony. Earl Anthony. Yep, that was it.
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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2006, 02:05:07 AM »

The big problem I have with him is that he sees to be one dimensional. I feel that to make shows and win on multi conditions you have to be able to change your game and he just hasn't done it yet. I don't see how he can get away with not doing it. Just think though who would be sweet if he used track. That would be Wes Mallot. If he used track he would get by the round of 8 every week. He makes it almost every week. So just think. Mallot+ Track= a hole lot of wins. To be one dimensional would to be like most league bowlers.
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baccala8872 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:38:49 AM »

I just have a couple of quick questions for the Tracksters in relation to Scroggins:

--Do you think he is a good "representative" of your product, meaning do you think his game is the best demonstration of what Track has to offer?

--Secondly, what do you think about the comment he made into his microphone after one shot, saying something like, "Well, that's not how you reacted all week!!"? Do you think that was a cheap shot at Track? Do you think it may be misinterpreted in any way?

Just looking for your thoughts on these...........

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a_ak57 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2006, 07:48:20 AM »

quote:
I just have a couple of quick questions for the Tracksters in relation to Scroggins:

--Do you think he is a good "representative" of your product, meaning do you think his game is the best demonstration of what Track has to offer?

--Secondly, what do you think about the comment he made into his microphone after one shot, saying something like, "Well, that's not how you reacted all week!!"? Do you think that was a cheap shot at Track? Do you think it may be misinterpreted in any way?

Just looking for your thoughts on these...........

--Chris
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In regards to the second one, that never crossed my mind. I assumed he was talking about the lanes. He obviously had a good reaction with the equipment all week until sunday, so it's not like he would blame the ball all of a sudden.
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:16:39 AM »

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IF HE IS GONNA MAKE TELECAST IT WOULD BE NICE IF HE COULD AT LEAST THROW A 200 GAME EVERY NOW AND THEN. WITH HIS STYLE AND HIS RECENT T.V. PERFORMANCES HE IS NOT DOING THE PBA TOUR ANY GOOD. THERE IS NO DOUBT HE IS A GOOD BOWLER BUT WHEN HE IS ON T.V. WELL HE SAID IT HIMSELF HE LOOKS LIKE A LEAGUE BOWLER.
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baccala8872 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2006, 08:19:23 AM »

Good point, a_ak.

He was tossing one of Track's most aggressive pieces and was complaining about some reaction on that one shot. (Who knows what else he mumbled under his breath on other shots!!) I never took it to mean that he took a shot at the lane conditions, which may be entirely possible.
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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:20:00 AM »

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You are joking, right?
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No Scroggins is not going to help T.V. ratings when he keeps bowling bad, just from a p.r. standpoint, this guy in a nightmare for the PBA tour, bowls great all week and can't do anything on T.V. I don't feel this is a personal shot at him, he just needs to bowl better, can you imagine the story he would be if he had won 3 or 4 titles with his style, in this day and age of the cranker.
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In case you hadn't noticed, he didn't execute any worse than the rest of them. His only fault was his lack of speed which seemed, to my eyes, to knock down more pins today than accuracy did. Bothhe and Healey are a lot more accurate than either Rash or Devaney. The oil pattern wound being YET another one of those whose results wind up being more like that of a house shots: revs and ball speed knock down more pins than accuracy does. NOTE: I didn't say it was a house shot; just that result was that scores depended on revs and ball speed, just like a house shot.

Example: Devaney played and made his 3/6/7/10, the same way Rash made the 2/4/10: the lead pin went against the side walls NOT into the pin, Rash's speed is what converted the split NOT his accuracy. If he didn't throw it that fast, he would never have converted the split because it wouldn't have come off the side wall. Been there, done that.

So blame the PBA and that oil pattern which wound up not being what they shot on all week, YET again.

Also, NOTE that, Scroggins has qualified for the TV show 5 different times. I don't know whatthe oil patterns were, but I'd bet they weren't all the same. That "one dimensional" BS that Randy Petersen pulls out of his you-know-whatis just that: a load of BS. I notice he doesn't get anywhere except when the commissioner gives him an exemption; how's that for one dimensional? And while I'm at it, how about if ESPN gets him to stop rooting for his friends on TV and putting down everyone else???

Don't tell us what Scroggins has to do; he is currently, last 6 months, THE best player on tour.

Congratulations, chili, baby! you just brought out the worst in me. But now I feel a lot better.
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badpoly · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:27:34 AM »

1 M. Scroggins 169,843.2
2 W. Malott 165,225.0
3 T. Jones 161,571.5
4 N. Duke 148,335.0
5 P. Allen 147,564.0
6 J. Couch 142,837.0
7 M. DeVaney 138,401.0
8 M. Koivuniemi 135,773.5
9 P. Bohn III 121,247.0
10 P. Weber 116,306.5

Above are the pont list rankings....Scroggins leading the way.
I've seen several of the broadcasts with him and yes he's a little boring. I also went to the Masters in Milwaukee and watched him bowl live...he played great beating Duke handily in the finals. It's actually funny watching him live...he looks away from his opponent when the opponent bowls...actually almost jerking his head to the side right before the ball is thrown so he doesn't see the opponents shot

I don't get all the trash talk about this guy...he's good. He doesn't have that big bender but I think that helps him on todays conditions. It makes him more consistent on the heavy oil...proof is in the rankings.
You don't like him...too bad...your going to be seeing a whole lot of him on the Sunday broadcast IMO.

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tjj300 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:41:29 AM »

I don't get it. I prefer watching matches that depend on making spares. If I wanted a strikefest, I'd watch leagues at the easy house in town.

shelley · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2006, 09:46:55 AM »

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Did you also read that i said Scroggins would be a great story if he had won 3 or 4 titles this year?

Scroggins win 3 or 4 titles in a year? This is a guy who's won three titles in, what, 15 years? For the last few years, he's been a top-20 guy, certainly on the list of guys who can make a living on tour. But he's not a winner. Good bowler, but aside from his frequent TV shows (he made 5 two years ago as well), he's never been a winner. Consistent, respected, but not a threat to win. Never really has been.

The only reason I see for people to expect more of him is that he's making lots of shows. That simply isn't the type of bowler I see him as.

SH

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