EX, first let me say you are 110% right about this ball. 2nd, I am not a one company bowler as I have Roto-Grip, Brunswick, Lane 1, Ebonite, Storm and Track. The last couple of years I have mainly been Brunswick (Inferno, Raging, Ultimate, Nemisis) The Proshop drilled their seed ball for me, I threw it on a flooded Christmas tree with lots of early carrydown on wood Guardian, and then on a fresh top hat on synthetic. Like you, this ball seems to work well on about everything, no over and under, LONG AND HARD at the backend and really seems to keep the pins low. I guess only time will tell but first impression is this ball will score and NOT just for Walter Ray.