Author Topic: so i want to sqare up on a house shot... (Read 2105 times)

The great one · « **on:** July 02, 2005, 08:43:41 AM »

but i can't, because the stuff i currently am throwing (heat- pin in palm, cg swung, tiny xtra hole- desert heat, zero layout monster hole- crash, pin high above bridge, cg swung, xtra hole. slash, same as the desert- slash pin above bridge, cg in palm no hole- xception pin above bridge, cg out mb right of the thumb, ) wants to go left and early, and when i do get it down the lane, has way too much backend. my negative stff (heat pin above and left of middle figner, cg in palm, no hole-crunch pin above the middle finger, pin negative), but not enough pop in the back. So what should i drill up? Another desert with a negative pin? or a pin above the bridge? I was strongly thinking an arsonal angular..pin probably an inch above and right of the ring finger, cg an inch or 2 negative, then adjust the surface accordingly. There are some vids of me somewhere on this fourm, just slowed the speed a tad, and the ball rolls more instead of just skid/flip. Thanks for the input.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #1 on:** July 02, 2005, 10:11:45 PM »

greatone,

It really sounds like you are trying to dictate to the lanes instead of playing how they are telling you to play. Squaring up to the lanes is a good idea as long as they allow you to do so. I think it will be very difficult to get a ball to play that line consistantly if the Heat you have drilled with the pin left of middle finger isn't working.

You could play with the surface on that Heat a bit, it may help you get a better reaction than you currently do. If it is currently in oob condition then I would say try something to get it a little stronger at the breakpoint. Try taking the surface to 1000 or even 800 then applying a good coat of magic shine.

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The great one · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2005, 12:43:09 AM »

That heat i acutally have shined up. The way to play the lanes there seems to be to start out there, then move in. The backends are so fresh to start, the shot is great swinging the ball, but once the carry down hits, the middles get ugly, and the outside still has oil. Any thoughts on that arsonal w/that layout?
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2005, 04:21:35 AM »

Hey greatone,

What's your Slash 12 o'clock stacked do? If the Heat isn't giving you enough pop on the back, I'm thinking a stronger ball but with the pin above mid. Maybe even an Xception with the pin above mid and the mb left of thumb, only catch is clipping the grip.
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The great one · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2005, 01:03:24 PM »

the stacked slash wants roll too soon. the shot is kinda wired. if you swing to the gutter after the 1st game, it wont hook, so you square up, and it wants to go left early. but if you start out, and break it down a bit, it really opens up for later games (its a 4 game league). I can try making that slash even more shiny. and have heard good things about the angular arsonal, thus wanting to try it, just thought since it rolls pretty early, by putting that layout, it can roll early as its nature, but still get enough length, and have enough pop in the back.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2005, 11:47:32 PM »

greatone,

I am not sure of Rick's feelings on this, but with identical surface preps the Arsenal Angular is going to roll sooner than the Slash. It will give you more backend however.

I am leaning towards the Xception drilled with identical pin position as the Slash, but with the MB just right of your thumb. The pin position and the GOO LS are going to get it down the lane more than your Slash gets, and the MB placement is going to give you some pretty good movement in the backends.

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clintdaley · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2005, 10:25:33 AM »

I like Ex's pick and layout on the original X

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2005, 04:45:03 PM »

greatone:

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xception pin above bridge, cg out mb right of the thumb, ) wants to go left and early, and when i do get it down the lane, has way too much backend.

Ex:

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I am leaning towards the Xception drilled with identical pin position as the Slash, but with the MB just right of your thumb.

Hey Ex, from the sounds of his description, he has one already just like this. Now I'm thinking about polishing the Slash more to help create the length but if your Xception is that strong, I'm afraid the Angular is also too strong. The 5.0 actually offers more length than the Angular.
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The great one · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2005, 04:54:38 PM »

the angular, even w/the pin above and right of the middle finger and a 2 inch negative cg?
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2005, 05:28:28 PM »

Give this a try. Drill an Angular pin below fingers on a 5 by 2 with a big hole at 4 inches. You will need a top weight under 3 oz so the hole will not have to be over 1"
The pin at 5" under your fingers will give you length and arch backend and the cg 2" from axis will make the ball read the middle well with a very smooth backend reaction. Start medium with the hole and work it up in size to even the backend reaction.

I use one on the PBA patterns that is 4 1/2 by 2 with a 1 inch hole and it is clean through the front reads the middle well and never overreacts off of the dry. It is one of the most versatile balls I have on the fresh. Hope this helps.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2005, 11:00:07 PM »

Rick,

I don't know how I missed that. Maybe redrill that Xception and go further from PAP with the pin? Like 6 inches from PAP.

What do ya think?

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2005, 12:56:27 AM »

Ex:

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Rick,

I don't know how I missed that. Maybe redrill that Xception and go further from PAP with the pin? Like 6 inches from PAP.

What do ya think?

Rick:

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Maybe even an Xception with the pin above mid and the mb left of thumb, only catch is clipping the grip.

Kind of the same thought bud...I mentioned it earlier. Gotta watch that old age man, it's starting to creep up on ya...

Hey greatone, I personally am afraid the Angular is too much but hard to say if you can gloss it up (quite a bit) to get the length. It may work...I'm kind of surprised to see the reaction Mitch got cause he's got plenty of hand and speed to match. However, I highly respect his knowledge and expertise so maybe you can give his idea a shot. His game is also closer to yours in general.
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2005, 09:45:52 AM »

Rick, I can see how you would be suprised by the reaction. I was suprised when I was talking to the Drillers on Tour several years ago about getting the cg kicked out close to axis and getting a smooth reaction. I watched several power players doing it so I tried it. Man does it roll good and is very smooth through the middle of the lane and backend.

I have to angulars, one drilled 5 1/2 by 5 pin under middle finger and the one drilled 4 1/2 by 2". The one drilled 5 1/2 by 5 goes 5 feet longer and hooks five more boards.

Getting the small mass bias in a semetrical core next to your axis makes the ball very controllable without getting the over set reaction of a negative cg.

I have two other balls drilled simular to this but weaker. I have a Threat and a sheer Havoc drilled on a 5 1/2 by 2 1/2 pin under middle finger. The Sheer Havoc is five feet longer and a arrow weaker, the Threat is almost ten feet longer and is almost two arrows weaker than the Angular.

The pattern also works well with pin above the fingers but the ball will be stronger drilled above.
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2005, 04:26:56 PM »

Thanks for the explanation Mitch. I haven't drilled something like that in a while, last ball was the TiBoss with a 4x0 and now that you mention it, it did take out some of the jumpiness. Achappy was just talking to Ex and I about drilling the mb on pap for control, he said it was very nice also....
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Mitch Beasley · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2005, 09:34:20 AM »

I love the drill pattern expecially on PBA patterns.

I don't like to drill strong mass bias balls on axis because it kills them too much and they are not very versitile. Weak mass bias balls react well to the pattern.

On strong Mass Bias balls I like to have them at about 2 1/2 inches to get some help out of the Mass Bias in the middle of the lane. This will still be very smooth in the backend.
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