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Equipment Boards => Track => Topic started by: htownstaff on May 16, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
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Now that the new balls are up on www.trackbowling.com ... Which one are you looking forward to the most and why?
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That site is a dumpster fire. Needs serious updating.
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Noted. Any actual input on the topic?
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Ill buy a track ball when they bring the shuttle core back in the 5 or 4 series...
Also its been said before...they could move quite a few high end balls if they would come back with the megatron core from the rising..perhaps a ten series ball?
I am seriously close to picking up a 716c and a 508a (now that theyre discontinued) as my first two in a long time from track..
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716C was a great piece for many in our area. Very versatile and receptive to cover changes. I think the new releases will get your attention.
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Lol, last Track ball I drilled was from SA. I think it was the Mean Machine, or somewhere along that time frame.
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I like what they are doing. The past few drills were a synergy ets and a 505a lol. In the same year. Got an equation to punch eventually. I want a 508 and 300a
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That site is a dumpster fire. Needs serious updating.
They also still list Mike Fagan as their staffer from NY. Only thing is he's now with Storm and has lived in TX for the past few years. They also never updated his titles either (the USBC Masters is missing).
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the 500 & 700 series balls are a proven series
505a, 505c & 505t are awesome balls
715t also very good
the 706t is supposed to have a strooong cover...
could be another 700 series winner
900 series....not so much, maybe 912t, but other than that...nope
300 series also pretty decent, the 300t is a short sport killer
the new 300c looks interesting
I have had some decent success with the track numbered balls
way better than Storm/Roto
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Dozer--- I did exactly as you were thinking; picked up a 508a a few months ago, and got the 716c on close out. Also have the 503t but that's for another day to discuss.
I have not been disappointed with the equipment- both are drilled in the 50/60 by 4.5/5.5" by 20/35 range (Similar but not exactly the same; I wanted them to compliment each other well)
The 716c is about 3-4 feet earlier than the 508a, and overall about 4 boards stronger. The only downside to the C is when they start to break down, I lose carry when moving inside to open up the lane more. The 508a plays very well on fresh with extremely clean backends, and then again after 4 games on the pair (broken down mids, backends starting to recover from carry down).
For the price right now, drill them up. I'm pretty impressed with their 3-800 series balls. Had a 912t but got rid of that when I dropped to 15lbs.
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The new 300C looks like a winner for the heavy handed guys on the easy stuff.
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The new 300C looks like a winner for the heavy handed guys on the easy stuff.
Definitely have to suck up to the wife to try and score this ball.
@Dave81644: I love my 920A. The 4000 surface wasn't great, so I changed it to 500/Rough Buff. Much better of a read and isn't ridiculously strong now. I have a 916AT that is really good on longer patterns, but it's really condition-specific.
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Had 919c - couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
should have been a 7 series ball at best
916At was to condition specific for me, also gone
A couple of 715t is all i really need for the track strong stuff
threw the 912t at a demo days with Jason couch last fall and it was way to much for me, maybe if i took the surface up it might be playable, but ridiculous strong
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The new 300C looks like a winner for the heavy handed guys on the easy stuff.
IDK, stronger core (higher Diff), stronger cover ... and a solid. A lot of people loved the original 300C for its good motion and control on dry. This ball looks stronger by everything they've said. I wish they made something a little weaker, without urethane.
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Ill buy a track ball when they bring the shuttle core back in the 5 or 4 series...
Also its been said before...they could move quite a few high end balls if they would come back with the megatron core from the rising..perhaps a ten series ball?
I am seriously close to picking up a 716c and a 508a (now that theyre discontinued) as my first two in a long time from track..
Ask and you shall receive!
505C2!
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The new 300C looks like a winner for the heavy handed guys on the easy stuff.
IDK, stronger core (higher Diff), stronger cover ... and a solid. A lot of people loved the original 300C for its good motion and control on dry. This ball looks stronger by everything they've said. I wish they made something a little weaker, without urethane.
FYI Some people have already mentioned that if you polish the 300T (still available) you will basically have the old 300C. The 300A seems a lot weaker than either 300C or the 300T. If these ideas are true (and I think they are, the new 300C makes a lot more sense.
I'd been using the 300T on my lighter oil house shot a few times and the ball reacts nicely and appropriately to surface changes. So the new 300C would make a nice stable mate, as even in my lighter oiled house pattern, we are not seeing slightly more viscous oil ,if not a heavier oil application, that almost starts around medium oil.
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The new 300C looks like a winner for the heavy handed guys on the easy stuff.
IDK, stronger core (higher Diff), stronger cover ... and a solid. A lot of people loved the original 300C for its good motion and control on dry. This ball looks stronger by everything they've said. I wish they made something a little weaker, without urethane.
FYI Some people have already mentioned that if you polish the 300T (still available) you will basically have the old 300C. The 300A seems a lot weaker than either 300C or the 300T. If these ideas are true (and I think they are, the new 300C makes a lot more sense.
I'd been using the 300T on my lighter oil house shot a few times and the ball reacts nicely and appropriately to surface changes. So the new 300C would make a nice stable mate, as even in my lighter oiled house pattern, we are not seeing slightly more viscous oil ,if not a heavier oil application, that almost starts around medium oil.
Yeah it makes sense, and they can apply strategy however they like, but I was hoping for something weaker. The trend inevitably seems to be stronger. Maybe they can come out with a 200cSE. :)
FWIW I have drilled a 300C and 300A for a friend. He is a slow speed, high rev, his axis rotation guy. With the same drilling, the 300A covers more boards for him. The only caveat being that the 300A is newer.
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The new 300C looks like a winner for the heavy handed guys on the easy stuff.
IDK, stronger core (higher Diff), stronger cover ... and a solid. A lot of people loved the original 300C for its good motion and control on dry. This ball looks stronger by everything they've said. I wish they made something a little weaker, without urethane.
FYI Some people have already mentioned that if you polish the 300T (still available) you will basically have the old 300C. The 300A seems a lot weaker than either 300C or the 300T. If these ideas are true (and I think they are, the new 300C makes a lot more sense.
I'd been using the 300T on my lighter oil house shot a few times and the ball reacts nicely and appropriately to surface changes. So the new 300C would make a nice stable mate, as even in my lighter oiled house pattern, we are not seeing slightly more viscous oil ,if not a heavier oil application, that almost starts around medium oil.
Not sure if you saw my review or not. I drilled this new 300C Solid and laid it out with the pin at 2 inches from my PAP with a 1 3/4 inch pin distance to the VAL, cg is center of grip. This puts the pin about 4 inches over from center of grip and about an inch up from the center line. I left the surface at box finish. Even with the stronger cover and core, I was pretty surprised at how easy the ball pushed through the front half of the lane. Even with that said, with the lay out, the ball was still super smooth on the backend and yet just enough angle to kick out the 10 pin.
The ball was so clean through the front that I have considered taking it to 4000 but no polish just to read the mids a little better. But, I have shot 1500 for 6 games in league with it as is so I am not sure if I really want to touch it. I have only left one 10 pin in 6 games so far if that tells you anything. This past week, I had people throwing a Ratchet, Enigma, Blue/Silver Taboo, and 2 Freezes on my pair and I think in 3 games I only moved 5 boards with my feet and 3 with my eyes. I started playing about 15 at the arrows and around 10 breakpoint the first game and ended at 18 at the arrows with about 13-14 breakpoint.
I am sure if you put a 4 - 5 inch pin layout the ball will be somewhat stronger. However....with my rev rate, you may be surprised at how clean and predictable it can be with a weaker layout.
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From the posts by Rico on these shorter Pin to Paps I am surprised this has been so successful and consistent for you.
He often states they don't work without a weighthole or are inconsistent.
Me I have found they are good while fresh but then puke once there is a little carrydown.
Of course as a very good two hander I think like many you have a good bit more power than me!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS please explain
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From the posts by Rico on these shorter Pin to Paps I am surprised this has been so successful and consistent for you.
He often states they don't work without a weighthole or are inconsistent.
Me I have found they are good while fresh but then puke once there is a little carrydown.
Of course as a very good two hander I think like many you have a good bit more power than me!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS please explain
Maybe the whole explanation Rico gave pertained to a certain type of bowler on a certain type of condition? Not sure there. One would think that with the pin that close to your axis there would be no need for a weight hole as the core is already laid down which would make the ball more predictable and controllable. I have now had 3 balls with this layout and all 3 have rolled phenominal. We experimented years ago with an original Red Pulse (wish I still had that ball). When the Ebonite Black Ice was released, my good friend and pro shop guy kept pulling at me to drill one with the 2 inch layout. That ball has been money on tournament conditions because of the predictability. However, I can only use that ball playing no deeper than about 12-13 at the arrows because it is so mild that I have no angle once I get a little bit inside and my carry goes downhill. With the new oils and such, I wanted something up to date but with the same layout. As soon as I saw the 300C Solid coming out, something told me that was the ball to have.
After some chatting with my friend at his shop (determining whether to have a 2 inch pin with a longer buffer or shorter, he convinced me an 1 1/2 - 1 3/4 buffer was the way to go due to the fact I was punching up a stronger ball than the Black Ice. I believe the Black Ice has a 2 inch pin buffer. The layout looks really funny on my 300 but trusted his judgment and boy am I glad I did. The 300C still flares a good bit even with the short pin to PAP. But with the cover at 4000 and polish, it is so clean through the front on our fresh house shot that there is still enough angle to kick the 10 out which I attribute to the stronger cover. What surprises me, is that the backend is so mild that I would think I would leave more 10 pins than I do. But, so far I have left only 1 through 6 games and that was because I pulled it slightly into the heavier oil volume and even though I hit the pocket, it was too late and left a solid 10.
I have not had the chance to use this on a tournament condition yet. That comes next weekend when I go to the Southeastern down in Macon, GA. The last time I went down there for State Tournament, the pattern was shorter and the Black Ice rolled extremely well for me so I am anxious to see what the 300C will do.