Post by: Brian362 on November 30, 2004, 11:44:23 PM
a ball for heavy oil. In my other league I've had much success with a Flash
Point. This league I used a polished Super Charge and it wasn't even close to be enough ball. So, I guess I'm looking for something that would be a step up from the Super Charge. About me and the lanes/center:
Right handed, tweener with above average revs. Normal ball speed is around 17mph. Prefer to play deep inside, but can be versatile. My PAP is 4 5/16 over and 1/4 up. I have a low track. I average around 210-215 consistently. I'd like to go to more of a Track Arsenal. Currently use: Flash Point 5*5, Super Charge 2.5*4, Tour Power 3*5.5. Pearl Beast 3*3.
Let me know any suggestions as I'm skitish about getting really strong equipment. I've had a Cherry Bomb, X Factor, Silencer, Chaos, and others that I rarely used because I get so much hand in the ball. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Post by: Mitch Beasley on December 01, 2004, 01:16:24 PM
Post by: Re-Evolution on December 01, 2004, 01:27:21 PM
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Post by: Re-Evolution on December 01, 2004, 01:29:47 PM
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Sheer Havoc drilled 5 by 4 under the fingers and a small hole. It will be a great ball and hit like a tank.
The Super can handle more oil than the Sheer, especially with a 5x4 drilling.
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If you get caught in the Storm Track beware it could be a Typhoon or Monsoon with Rolling Thunder and Lightning Flashes that when Unleashed may send splintered Wood flying everywhere.
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Post by: Mitch Beasley on December 01, 2004, 01:42:58 PM
Post by: Re-Evolution on December 01, 2004, 01:49:16 PM
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To sand the Super Charge would make it too early with not enough corner.
He said it wasn't even close to enough ball, I would think that means too much skid and it blows right through the break point, so more surface would be what he needs.
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STORM TRACK
formerly : Stormin1
If you get caught in the Storm Track beware it could be a Typhoon or Monsoon with Rolling Thunder and Lightning Flashes that when Unleashed may send splintered Wood flying everywhere.
Storm Track's Web Page (http://"http://home.mchsi.com/~s-cross-7-28-71/")
Post by: Mitch Beasley on December 01, 2004, 02:03:46 PM
Post by: Lane Bed on December 01, 2004, 10:56:59 PM
hand polished lightly
5X3 pin over the fingers
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Post by: Brian362 on December 01, 2004, 11:02:21 PM
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He doesn't want a huge ball otherwise I would have said to get a Rule.
I'm scared that with my revs, a Rule would be too strong. However, I'd be able to play using my normal faster ball speed....hmmm....
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The sheer havoc is stronger than most people think it is but it is not in the same class with a Rule.
I've seen a few SHs in use. They seem very similar to a Super Charge.
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To sand the Super Charge would make it too early with not enough corner.
Again, I agree. In box condition (500) Matte, it was too early pretty much on any condition. Perhaps just buffing the shine off with Scotch Brite may work. I like the SC polished and I REALLY need a ball for oilier conditions. I'm getting my timing back andwant to try some out of town tournaments soon.
Thanks for the input so far!!!
Post by: Brian362 on December 01, 2004, 11:09:35 PM
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Atomic Charge or X-Factor Ace
I don't know if these will handle this amount of oil. Heavy/Flat/Long....
Newer Brunswick Synthetics (3 years or so) Outside 7 is really oily, nothing seems to make the turn out that far.
Guys in this league use: Goliaths, Swamp monsters, Bullies, Super Carbide Bombs, Total Annilations, Rules, Basically hook monster oily condition type equipment.
Edited on 12/2/2004 0:08 AM
Post by: Brian362 on December 01, 2004, 11:17:16 PM
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Three letters for ya Brian...
W M B
Funny you mention that.... just finished emailing MoRich about going to Newport News to get one drilled....
Post by: Brian362 on December 01, 2004, 11:26:54 PM
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I went through Freddie at MoRich for a recommended layout and he nailed it right on the head.
I'm from that area of Virginia, I've met Freddie Carroll and Bowled with Tommy Holmes, I'll be making a road trip home very soon.
Post by: Brian362 on December 01, 2004, 11:28:43 PM
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What about a Ravage or a Track Slash.
I've looked at both and don't think they'll handle this heavy of a pattern. The Slash esp, as I loved my Triton Elite. However, for the first time in a long, long time I need a true heavy oil ball.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on December 01, 2004, 11:54:59 PM
I do not think a Rule would be too much ball. You just have to drill it properly. One of the great things with the Rule is that if you get it and it is too much ball a simple change in coverstock will help. I mean go with a 4 inch pin from PAP and place the MB under the thumb....or even just left of the thumb (which these should equal about 5-5.5 for most from PAP).
OR....if you are afraid that a Rule is too strong (I still think you would be alright with it), why not try the Xception? You may have to take the gloss off of the ball, but it can handle some oil especially if you have a lot of hand.
-EX-
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Post by: tenpinspro on December 02, 2004, 04:14:27 AM
Something sounds a little strange in your request. In regards to the balls you classified as "too strong", have you tried any of those on this shot? If guys are throwing the hook monsters you mentioned, your stronger balls should be okay if you have a lot of turn as well. IMHO, the Cherry Bomb, X-Factor or Silencer are just a step up from your Super Charge. Not sure if you still have these or not, just checking.
If not, I'd go with what Ex suggests as well in regards to the Rule. You can also drill it a little more stable to offset some of your turn. The Xception is also a very good choice as both balls offer great strength but very controlled, not like typical resin. Both of mine drilled in a strong position give me a very strong arc and I have a no speed with high tilt which translates typically into O/U on every shot almost...hope this helps some.
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: Brian362 on December 02, 2004, 06:13:11 AM
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Hey Brian,
Something sounds a little strange in your request. In regards to the balls you classified as "too strong", have you tried any of those on this shot? If guys are throwing the hook monsters you mentioned, your stronger balls should be okay if you have a lot of turn as well. IMHO, the Cherry Bomb, X-Factor or Silencer are just a step up from your Super Charge. Not sure if you still have these or not, just checking.
If not, I'd go with what Ex suggests as well in regards to the Rule. You can also drill it a little more stable to offset some of your turn. The Xception is also a very good choice as both balls offer great strength but very controlled, not like typical resin. Both of mine drilled in a strong position give me a very strong arc and I have a no speed with high tilt which translates typically into O/U on every shot almost...hope this helps some.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Rick,
As it turns out, I do not have any of those balls anymore. I gave away nearly all of my equipment when I started working the hours that I currently do. Now, I have time and more importantly the desire to bowl again. I'm down to either a Rule (which I've wanted since it came out) or a WMB. I haven't needed a true heavy oil ball in a long time. I'll probably get both. Try them and report which is better. Here, in Lynchburg, my new shop guy is a Track Pro Staff memeber, I believe. Chuck sends him every new ball that comes out. So, if he's not on staff, he's got friends in high places. I actually bowled in a league with Chuck Gardner when I lived in Virginia Beach. FWIW, I've been told by many a person that I don't give myself enough credit for how much turn I put on a bowling ball. I typically have more success with the lower end stuff.
I'm excited about a new oil pattern, lane surface, challenge. I'm bowling better, while my timing and balance are nearly 100% from two years ago when I left. I don't know how much tilt I have other than my PAP measurements. I have grown to like rolling the ball faster (PAP 4 5/16 over and 1/4 up). Can you determine how much tilt that will equate to? Do I need to video tape myself and upload it to the site? LMK, and HUGH THANKS to ALL!!!!
Post by: tenpinspro on December 08, 2004, 10:06:51 AM
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(PAP 4 5/16 over and 1/4 up). Can you determine how much tilt that will equate to?
Hey Brian,
Typically this isn't much tilt (1/4 up), if you get a chance, the vid would be very helpful as well. I still like the Xception for you based on what you're describing, with some hand, this ball does turn pretty well but the polished cover won't make you stand up at the arrows.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: Brian362 on December 08, 2004, 10:42:32 PM
Thanks. I was under the impression that I get a lot of axis tilt due to my lower track. Guess not. I'm having a hard time deciding between an EXception and A rule.
Post by: Brian362 on December 09, 2004, 01:33:03 AM
Have to decide how to lay it out.
FWIW, my driller uses a Rule for this shot and takes a burgundy scotch brite to it before each session in this center. Any suggestions. I like how my Flash point rolls in the other center with less oil. It's drilled 5*5. My specs are in my profile.
Christmas came early this year!!!
Oh wait my girlfriend wants to get me an Exception...... I must have made the "nice" list this year.
Post by: tenpinspro on December 09, 2004, 05:38:43 AM
If you're still worried about the Rule being too strong, I'd go with what Ex recommended in placing the mb in a weaker positioning (about 5-6 inches from pap). By doing this, you can still have the strength of the Goo coverstock without the ball being overly aggressive for your game. Hope this helps...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff