Author Topic: Sport shot ball suggestions? (Read 1990 times)

wbronco63 · « **on:** May 04, 2005, 02:01:26 PM »

We are currently bowling on a longer sport shot pattern and a shorter one, dont know the exact patterns but was wondering what you would suggest for a ball. I am standing from one arrow to the right of the center and throwing to the 6-10th board and my rule has trouble coming back? Any suggestions for what i should look for in a ball. Drillin on the rule looks like this:
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icetink · « **Reply #1 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:13:19 PM »

That's a relatively weak drilling for an asymmetrical ball (drilling label generally puts the mass bias in the track which in turn causes the ball to rev up late) and that's why your Rule isn't picking up very well.

I find that dull particle balls work really well on heavy oil sport shots. My Animal drilled pin under ring and mass bias 3" right of thumb rolls up very well and provides a little bit more area. It's not over/under. The GP2 should do a great job as well.

I find that bowling balls finished at a higher grit wetsand (ie. 1500-4000) roll up really well on shorter sport shots. They're not as over/under as highly polished balls. Any smooth midrange piece of equipment (FAZ, Slash, Heat) should work well in this department.
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wbronco63 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:17:21 PM »

i have my MB like 1-2 inches to the right of the thumb.
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wbronco63 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:19:18 PM »

what is the drilling difference for asymmetric vs symmetric?, i also have a polished sharp blade and a blazing inferno drilled the same way. Should i redrill?
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Urethane Game · « **Reply #4 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:25:53 PM »

I think the better answer would be to move out of your comfort area and try playing a different part of the lane. A ball may help but if you have limited friction you'll be in the same boat with a shiny new ball mocking you.
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icetink · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:28:05 PM »

In asymmetrical cored balls, the mass bias plays a very big role in ball reaction. The closer it is to the PAP, the sooner it will want to roll up, and the further away, the later it will rev. I'd try adjusting the surface a bit (dull it down) before redilling it.
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icetink · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:29:39 PM »

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I think the better answer would be to move out of your comfort area and try playing a different part of the lane. A ball may help but if you have limited friction you'll be in the same boat with a shiny new ball mocking you.
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got revs?

I bowled in a non-sanctioned sport shot league this year, and I've learned that the comfort zone won't always provide the most room and it doesn't always provide the best carry. Sometimes you're required to to play straighter or deeper depending on what the lanes call for. That's excellent advice!
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wbronco63 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2005, 11:03:10 PM »

alright i havent dared to try an inside line yet. i will try that first then maybe change cover. thanks for the suggestions
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #8 on:** May 04, 2005, 11:10:30 PM »

If you are looking to do it with equipment the natural purchase would be the Rule GP2. It will definately get back stronger than the Rule.

I agree with the suggestion to try to play a different part of the lane, and possibly a coverstock adjustment. Where is the MB on your Rule?

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wbronco63 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 05, 2005, 06:44:04 AM »

mass bias is like 1.5 inches to the right of the thumb and about an inch under it
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Bowling in the winter
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Only good thing about snow is that it tells me when its time to get out and put away the bowling equipment.

clintdaley · « **Reply #10 on:** May 05, 2005, 07:50:04 AM »

I would agree with the GP2 from Ex. It is the natural step up from the original Rule. It has a higher surface finish, combined with the natural higher RG core, will help the ball get through the heads easier than most, if not all, oil monsters. The GP2 is an awesome piece that should be in many bowlers bags!

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #11 on:** May 05, 2005, 12:21:11 PM »

wbronco63,

The MB on your Rule is in the "flip" position(it could be different for you based on your PAP). With this in mind, if your Rule is not getting back enough it could be one of 2 problems. FIRST: The ball could be starting up too late due to a heavy amount of oil, or SECOND: the ball could be burning up due to now enough oil in the part of the lane you are playing.

Your first step, try moving your line inside as stated earlier. If it turns the corner in there odds are that it was too dry out by the area of the lane where you were playing. If that does not work then you could consider another ball. The GP2 is the natural fit. It will move more than the Rule in the early part of the lane.

If you end up going the way of the Rule GP2, make sure your ball driller moves the MB closer to your VAL. This will help the ball start up sooner and cut through the oil better.

Goodluck,
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wbronco63 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 05, 2005, 01:18:01 PM »

thanks for your input all those who posted so far, just started bowling seriously this year and have no idea about ball drilling.
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Only good thing about snow is that it tells me when its time to get out and put away the bowling equipment.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #13 on:** May 05, 2005, 02:04:20 PM »

Hey wbronco,

There have been some very good suggestions offered here so far. I will elaborate on the typical or "general" type of sport conditioning a little more.

Comparatively to a house shot where our center oil or puddle in the middle tends to be much heavier (which is what offers us good natural skid or immediate tug room), the sport conditions tend to be actually a little lighter in oil concentration in the middle than the outside boards. Knowing that a "typical house shot" (THS) has heavy oil in the middle and drier boards to the right, we have a ton of forgiveness on this condition. If we miss right, the ball hits the free hook and returns to the pocket and if we tug it or pull it, it holds in the center oil towards the pocket.

On an average (and I'm generalizing), sport conditions are the exact opposite of the THS. The oil concentration is heavier on the outside and lighter on the inside. Now, if we miss right, it hangs and does not recover and if we miss left in the lighter oil, it hooks past the pocket. There isn't much room for error.

With this being said, by playing your comfort zone of 6-10 board, you may be actually playing the hang (or heavier stuff) and that is very difficult. Your better angle to attack the shot would be to play inside on the lighter oil so the ball can create more friction and offer you some kind of reaction.

I'd try moving in to about 16-17 board with a slight swing to about 11-12 board at it's furthest out point and see what reaction you get. Hopefully the inside is a little lighter and it "may" offer you a better reaction. Try this and get back to us with your findings because from there, we will have a better understanding of how much oil you're actually dealing with which will then allow us to pick the right ball for you to use on that particular shot. Hope this helps some...

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Lane Bed · « **Reply #14 on:** May 05, 2005, 11:18:17 PM »

wbronco63

See if I can help you. I ran one of the original test Sport Bowling leagues and bowled on weekly "taped legal" sport bowling patterns for 3 years.

If the shot is not taped you really do not know what you are bowling on. The legal shot is tough to maintain and tougher to bowl on. The non-taped patterns tend to leave the middles drier.

The league had many of NY's best bowlers so I can give you a good overview.
(The 1st 300 in Sport Bowling was in this league, the only one all year)

Bowlers seemed to migrate to two areas of the lane.

On strategy is to start around 12 or 13 keeping the ball as straight and in play as possible. There is little room for error so keeping your speed consistent is important. NO particle balls! The shot can burn up so fast and the carrydown can fill a night with misery. Lightly polished reactives used for medium conditions seemed to be preferred. If enough people play one area it can be broken down for a while. The transition usually comes around every 7 frames.

The other strategy is to use a low load particle or or higher hooking reactive with a length/snap drilling and play right off the corner. Over the cap to board 2 is playable right out to 6. Ball should be light polish to 1000 or more fine sand. Great angle to leaver decent spares that are not weird or splits. Some tug for first game. Not such a speed sensitive area.

Clue: The fresh is as good as the shot ever gets. Year 2 we only took 3 practice balls each.

Hope this helps

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