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FastTracker33

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Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« on: July 07, 2008, 02:22:18 AM »
Hello everyone, what is the difference between these two?

I plan on buying both, but i'm not exactly how sure one compares to the other, strength wise. I'm assuming the Kinetic is longer and stronger, while the Tantrum is more of a benchmark, with more control on the lane? I'm going to drill them much different from one another, but I just wanted to know their differences, in general.

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Re: Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 10:45:42 AM »
The Kinetic is much more responsive to friction. The Tantrum reads the mids very well but is a touch more control off the friction. The way these balls fit into my arsenal is that the Tantrum is the go to ball after transition (assuming the were fresh). I like it when a little defined friction starts to develop. I use the Kinetic when I get forced to deep with this.
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Re: Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 11:11:17 AM »
Louis, thank you for the response, it did help!

So, since you think the Tantrum is better after transition, then would the Kinetic be the ball to start off with, on a fresh shot? (assuming no carrydown, fresh backends, etc.)
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Re: Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 11:40:02 AM »
I actually use the Kinetic when I am forced deep after the carry down and heads burn. I am slightly rev dominant and my ball speed is on the medium to medium low side so I like the Kinetic when I have to play deep inside angles since it will get through the fronts with ease and provide quick response downlane, even when they get tight down back. On shorter PBA patterns, I start with the Temper since it is still the best midlane read and is the slowest response to fricion so it matches up well on the fresh. On the longer patterns, I start with the KE or Rising. I will see how the UpRising fits in shortly. Punching mine today!
I did drill a Kinetic with a pin down, 4 inch from PAP and used surface but it will still a little too quick with the response time. At the time, we had only two balls in the line so I had to try and trick some balls out to get the look I needed. Now, with the seven, there are so many options!
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Re: Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 01:50:33 PM »
Hmm.. I understand what you mean, Lou. I'm kind of even with my revs and speed, maybe slightly more speed than revs, though. I have anywhere from 250-300rpms, and throw from 15-17mph.

I was thinking about drilling a Kinetic 5.5" pin, and a 4.5-5" MB, so I can get it going long, and have a big snap at the end for cleaner backends.. and maybe drilling a Tantrum with a 4" pin, and a 4.5" MB, so it will be earlier than the Kinetic, and better when it comes to carrydown.. also bringing the Tantrum to 4000 grit abralon.

What do you think of that? Does it sound good, or am I off by a long shot?
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Re: Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 02:15:58 PM »
The Kinetic is much stronger at the breakpoint than the Tantrum. The Tantrum rolls well, but retains energy as well. Picture the Temper but with a stronger backend reaction.

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Re: Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 02:17:42 PM »
When I do 5.5 inch pins, they tend to be longer and smoother then shorter pins. The mass bias placement will have minimal effect on reaction with the low int diff but small drilling angles will probably result in needing a weight hole. I am going to do a Kinetic with a 4.5 inch pin from PAP but only 1.5 inch from VAL, I will use 60-70 degree mass bias to keep it with no weight hole, depending on static weights so I can keep it without a weight hole.  I have a Tantrum drilled like this and it is awesome but moving much deeper than 20 with how low the rg is tends to hurt. I like the Tantrum layout but you will be surprised how good it is on the backend with the OOB. I would at least give it a chance.
I really think the Tantrum is the better ball for real clean crisp fresh backends of the two. It will be smoother. I think the Tantrum is better at smoothing out over under when you are dealing from the front to the back because it is smoother in nature than the Kinetic. The Kinetic helps me open the lane up left to right and get inside the oil line when the heads start to blow and I get some over under.
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Re: Tantrum vs. Kinetic
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 02:31:17 PM »
Carl, thanks for the response! I'll also be getting to your message, shortly.

Lou, i'm starting to see what you mean now, a little more. So you're pretty much saying the Tantrum will be better to start out with, and then, as the lanes dry up a bit or if carrydown starts to form, the Kinetic will be the ball to go to, moving my target deeper on the lane? Also, about drilling the Kinetic with a 5.5" pin, I won't do that. I'll have to think of something, though, about that. I don't want to drill it like my Rising (4.5" pin, 1" to VAL), because I don't want THAT much hook, really. I know they are different balls, but I also know the Kinetic will probably pop harder on the back. I'll have to think about it.

Thank you again, so far!
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