Author Topic: backend??? (Read 2768 times)

bowler257628 · « **on:** January 14, 2005, 04:11:34 AM »

Could Mr Carl, Rick, or Clint give me some ideas for a Track BACKEND ball.. I know it depends on how its drilled, but what are some backend balls you have seen from track? I have a guy in the alley who is lookin for the ball to go long on heavier oiled lanes and have backend..

Thanks for the help.
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clintdaley · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2005, 12:47:28 PM »

My Animal with out of box surface has the most backend of any of my other balls when used on heavy oil. Other balls, like the X-ception, have a huge backend, but mine skids too far on the heavy stuff and I don't ever see the backend I get form that ball on the mediums. The only HEAVY oil balls out there from Track right now is the Phenom (discontinued, but you can still pick them up for now), Animal (on its way out too) and the new GP2. The new GP2 may have more backend on the heavy stuff, but I can't comment until mine arrive from Track and I can test them against my other Track balls. Ex or Ten may have another suggestion, and I would also suggest reading the reviews in the Track column from Ten and others to see how the GP2 stacks up before buying your next ball.

Just write if you have any more questions!

Clint
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bowler257628 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2005, 01:20:44 PM »

Ohhhhhhh RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK.. lol you are the only one with your GP2..
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2005, 01:28:52 PM »

bowler257628,

I do not have the GP2 yet, but backend on heavy oil that I have thrown would be RULE. The part that makes suggesting something difficult is what exactly each person views as heavy oil? If the oil is heavy enough you are not going to be able to swing the lane. The Rule with the surface about 800 gets down the lane well when there is enough oil present and still has backend.
Everyone knows how much I love the Animal, but it is better played straight. If your friend plays straighter go with the Animal.

Question: What balls are most other bowlers using on this pattern that your friend is looking for a ball for?

-EX-
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
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bowler257628 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2005, 01:40:50 PM »

They are fluffers!!!!!!!!!! This customer has 19mph speed, hits up on the ball.. really what we see is slow speeds on it and he wont slow down.. Heavy Oil to where if you swing it you will hit the ditch..
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Rev_O · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2005, 02:40:23 PM »

how much oil is heavier oil?

i can use my freak a zoid or xception on the same lane condition at my house (43ft) xception is definatly stronger on the back end. FAZ is more of an arc, but a strong arc. Xception is almost a SNAP!! Have not thrown a Rule, and I know the GP2 is to much for me to use!!
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icetink · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2005, 06:16:09 PM »

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how much oil is heavier oil?

i can use my freak a zoid or xception on the same lane condition at my house (43ft) xception is definatly stronger on the back end. FAZ is more of an arc, but a strong arc. Xception is almost a SNAP!! Have not thrown a Rule, and I know the GP2 is to much for me to use!!

....Wow, that must mean you get a lot of hand on the ball!! Can you make some bowling vids? I wanna see the 'god' of bowling that I always see mention of on the Track website, who carries a 246avg!

As for a BACKEND ball, I'd check out a Phenom or Rule. Excellent balls with lots of 'pop'!
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tenpinspro · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2005, 09:07:04 PM »

Hey bowler,

The GP2 fits exactly what you're describing BUT...remember we have to match the ball to the bowler. If he's not hooking now, then his revs to speed does not match up which means he needs more strength. For a player with that much speed, he/she may need a ball to roll earlier to help get it into a roll first before even trying to get a big back end reaction. Choices would still be between the GP2 or Animal.

Question, what ball/surface/layout is he using now that isn't reacting enough for him? This will help me decide whether an Animal or GP2 would make the better choice, thanks.
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

bowler257628 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2005, 03:20:03 PM »

He is using a Killer Instinct Sanded.. He got a ball that is rolling over the thumb hole/ flaring for a lefty.. It is doing this for EVERYONE that has thrown it.. He wants to replace it but dosent want another ebonite ball. I told him to buy a real ball and get a track ball

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2005, 03:27:56 PM »

Hey bowler,

I'd go with the GP2 vs the Animal. If he can clip the thumb, he doesn't have a low track or anything like that. I'd also suggest placing the mb closer to pap (about 3 inches) to help pull a little early to help offset some of that speed. Hope this helps some...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

bowler257628 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2005, 03:31:39 PM »

yeah.. helps out alot.. I know he was pissed cause the pro shop is doing a half @ssed job in the shop about replacing his ball.. I will tell him about the GP2 thanks for the help guys.
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I never dreamed it would be me, My name for all eternity, Recorded here at this hallowed place Alas, my name, no more my face. "In the line of duty," I hear them say: My family now the price to pay. My folded flag stained with their tears; We only had those few short years. The badge no longer on my chest, I sleep now in eternal rest. My sword I pass to those behind, And pray they keep this thought in mind. I never dreamed it would be me, And with heavy heart and bended knee, I ask for all here from the past: Dear God, let my name be the last.

recognize_talent · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2005, 04:07:22 AM »

There seems to be one thing these staffers have got right. They want to make money. They keep suggesting the high end balls and dont get me wrong cuz they will do what they are stating them to do. But i have a Rule, i got a GP2, and a Slash all drilled label lev with 3" pin and 3.5oz top.

I took the three to my house and asked for them to lay out pattern d from the tour for me, cuz im a junior bowler age 21 getting ready to let lose on those so called pros. no but seriouslly, they're good. Anyway, the one i found most effective was the Slash. This ball literally just jumped off the dry and flew back in. The other two made the trip but i had to put in some work. Now where the Rule and GP2 differed from the Slash was in the hit. When the Rule and GP hit the pins stayed low and fell to the back, the Slash on the other hand sent them flying, so occasionally i left some singles.

If it were up to me i tell you get the Slash its well worth it and cheap, plus not to many people have one, which is too bad. Ameleto and i both agree this will be our go to ball for oil.
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charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2005, 08:29:04 AM »

recognize_talent,

Could it have been that there was not enough oil for the GP2 or the RUle, especially with those maximum strength drillings? And the Slash was the just weak enough (it is not weak, but it is weaker than the other two) to retain energy for your release + the lane surface + the oil pattern ...

tenpinspro · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2005, 10:21:53 AM »

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But i have a Rule, i got a GP2, and a Slash all drilled label lev with 3" pin and 3.5oz top.

Hey Recognize,

With the label lev drill, where are your mass bias positionings? If pin-cg-mb are in line, that would mean they are near thumb to left of thumb. If this is the case, your mb is may sitting around 6-7 inches from pap perhaps which negates the effect and delays the roll. Remember, with strong asymmetrical balls, we have 2 controlling weights. If we place our hand between these 2 weights, we have in a way created a barbell effect. One weight to the left side and one weight to the right side of our grip. If we rolled a barbell, it goes straight...

Since the Slash is symmetrical, it's main controlling weight is just the block and you should see a strong reaction from it. No argument that the Slash is a good ball but in recommending for what this bowler needed is still the primary key. Since this is still a "free" site for advice, I don't see where the "they want to make money" comes from. I don't know about your contacts and other staff members but I for one do not and am not getting paid for making suggestions in any form.

On edit: In regards to this bowler's question, if he could throw the ball like you or Ameleto, then he should also have no problem hooking a sanded KI. Since he can't, he most likely needs a stronger piece.
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
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Edited on 1/16/2005 11:38 AM

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