Post by: tenpinspro on February 04, 2005, 09:02:12 PM
I went 4 3/4 x 3mb near val with the pin about 3.5 above midline, sitting over bridge. Even with the pin in a more stable position, the mb placement of 3 really helps this ball pull in oil and just continues incredibly. It's about 5 more then my first one and I thought the first one hooked! Threw about 4 practice shots last friday with it but the lanes were too dry, had to put it away (bowl400 and Doc Hollywood can attest to that). Didn't get to practice (been sick) but pulled it out anyway Wed in my scratch league and threw a few shadow balls with both GP2's and this one was much stronger and opened up the backends for me easily. Ended up shooting 226, 242 and 235...first 3 games out of box, not too shabby I'd say considering my thumb hole also needed work. I wasn't coming out as clean as I would've liked. First time I've shot back to back 7's in this league, something's always different but the 2 GP2's are sure not seeing the lane differences. Thanks again Carl and to my Boss' at TRACK for making a great piece.....
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 05, 2005, 10:55:23 PM
No problem bud. I am glad the layout worked for you. With this ball it is so good drilled strong, I am not sure I would want one drilled weak.
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Post by: srlunatic on February 05, 2005, 11:05:29 PM
Will be getting one of these soon.....and wanted to see how this kind of layout worked..
Have drilled alot of Morpheus cores very strong and have had very little success with them..(3 Animals.....2 Rules to mention a couple..)..and was thinking of going pin centered over bridge with MB about 3 from PAP to get length and pop...
Seems with my release that strong drillings and especially pin unders do me zero good.....Infact Mitch Beasley laid out my last Animal and didn't work out.....so may try one with pin over and see if maybe that is the ticket...
Rick..any ideas as seen my terrible game??..lol
Mike
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 05, 2005, 11:10:40 PM
I think that layout would be good.....but what about moving the pin a little closer to PAP like above the ring finger? This will still roll up very well, but it will get length as well.
-EX-
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Post by: srlunatic on February 05, 2005, 11:18:50 PM
Have tried Lev type drilling and seems they don't really work for me either for some reason. Tried lately on a Slash and missed completely on that one. Seems that pin over, pin just right of ring seems to be the best "reaction" layout I have no matter what I do to the mb...as weird as this seems...
Does that make any sense??
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 05, 2005, 11:21:38 PM
I understand what you are saying. My suggestion is not to go leverage....but instead of over bridge, just move it maybe 1/4 of an inch closer to PAP. Take as good advantage of what this ball will offer you as you can.
-EX-
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Post by: srlunatic on February 05, 2005, 11:23:50 PM
Can give that a shot....should put pin at abotu 1:30-2:00 position then??..
Have my Depth Charge drilled with that layout and love it...
Mike
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 05, 2005, 11:30:04 PM
Somewhere in that area. I know you are uncomfortable with the pin below finger line thing....just from past discussions. This will allow for the length you are wanting, but still backend well.
I have another GP2 that I am going to drill up, and I am thinking about going pin above ring and move the MB out to the right and see what it will do for me. The surface of this ball allows for good backend.....which I was even shocked about-----because particles do not backend like this ball, atleast not until now.
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Post by: srlunatic on February 05, 2005, 11:39:38 PM
Yeah, for some reason pin below doesn't work. Watch others kill with my animals drilled that way but no success with me.....
Have seen the GP2 in action and loved what I saw...now just have to translate it to my game...
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 07, 2005, 02:26:19 PM
Based on what I remember and your description of the layouts that worked for you, I'd say an earlier rolling ball seems to work better. How was your Havoc drilled? From what I remember, it gave you a better reaction on the shot we hit compared to your Unleashed. If this still holds true, maybe we should keep the mb about 2.5-3 from pap for you to help them get started sooner. Your game seemed to show more strength down and in (or slight swing) vs trying to open up a shot a ton. Maybe due to the higher spin rates on our Morpheus cores (which translate into more axis retention) we need to get the balls started sooner for you. Let me know what you think and we can bounce around some ideas, thanks.
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Post by: Rev_O on February 07, 2005, 09:37:27 PM
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Post by: srlunatic on February 07, 2005, 09:51:47 PM
Greetings old wise one....;-))
Havoc was drilled pin centered over fingers..mb about 2 inches right of thumb...was about 5 by 3 ish.......
May have to get two and have some fun with them like Ex...*laugh*. I like the thought of pin over...mb about 2-3 to get into a roll a little sooner but should have plenty of backend. Also have an Exception waiting to be punched up and think will go with about 5 X 4 or so...would place pin over Ring and MB just right of thumb for a long and strong look....
Also have a Ravage I want to punch up and am thinking what the hell to do with that one so have something not too similiar to the Exception. Have been wanting to give Morich a shot, especially after watching the TA and the Ravage at Team USA....very impressed with both.
Also really interested in the Arsenal's after talking to Mitch Beasley in Vegas. They sound like they would really fit in my game......
Man I am becoming a big time ball junkie...lol...
Maybe I will just be smart and take a road trip out to Rick later this spring and just punch a bunch up then...
Mike
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 07, 2005, 10:02:52 PM
Rick asked the same thing as me bud....so that tells you that you should punch the GP2 up like you have your Havoc. -EX-
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Post by: Mitch Beasley on February 08, 2005, 01:19:51 PM
I am sorry about the Animal. You are a little bit of a contradiction. You have a lot of side tilt and rotation but slow ball speed. That makes it harder to drill your equipment because if you get it in a leverage position with your hand and slow ball speed it will flare too much and be flat on the backend. If you get the pin too far away from your axis the weight block will be too vertical and will wait too long to turn over making it have a over under reaction.
I was suprised that the Animal waited so late to start flaring because I wasn't aware of just how much side tilt you have.
Have you thrown the Animal on medium lanes yet? If you don't like it when the lanes are medium you should move everything one inch to the right. That will get it to flare five to eight feet earlier and hook on oil.
From looking at your balls and seeing you throw in Vegas you should stay away from going left of your ring finger with the pin under your fingers. Pins over you fingers will roll better because of making the core height taller and stronger.
I am drilling my Arsenals tonight and I will be able to give you a good review of them tomorow. I have been swamped with work and have been looking at them for a month now and i can't stand it any longer.
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Post by: srlunatic on February 08, 2005, 02:13:19 PM
Greetings!!
First off, thank you for all the assistance in Vegas! I learned more talking to you for a couple hours than I have in the last couple years easily!
Gave the Animal a try on the mediums and much better reaction, but hate to admit it, like the reaction of my Depth Charge a bit more. A friend of mine was in need of an oiler and had never tried Track so passed it on to him and think he is now hooked!!! Add one to the Track Junkies!!..*laugh*.
Definately agree that pin over for me is the way to go, and thinking that maybe the way to go for me is to stick with that type of setup solely and then adjust surface and balls (say a GP2, Exception, Havoc drilled exactly the same way and then change balls/surfuce due to conditions..) and just rely on one pattern. Or possibly same ball (ex GP2 and use MB placement to tweak reaction??).
Looking forward to hearing about the Arsenal's......have a feeling they will really fit my game well.
Thanks again for all the help Mitch! And nice shooting in Vegas!
Mike
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 08, 2005, 02:19:44 PM
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if you get it in a leverage position with your hand and slow ball speed it will flare too much and be flat on the backend. If you get the pin too far away from your axis the weight block will be too vertical and will wait too long to turn over making it have a over under reaction.
Hey Mitch,
What if we do a 4.25-4.5 pin about 3 above mid and a 2.5-3 mb for him? This is what I was thinking about in regards to his roll. The shorter mb placement will help pull but keeping the pin just a little further out past lev should give him the offset and continuous motion. What do you think?
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Post by: Mitch Beasley on February 08, 2005, 02:34:52 PM
Both good suggestions.
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Post by: srlunatic on February 08, 2005, 10:42:19 PM
Sounds good!!
Now just have to go rob a bank so can get two to drill up...*laugh*..
Mike
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Post by: Mitch Beasley on February 09, 2005, 01:45:06 PM
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Post by: srlunatic on February 09, 2005, 01:51:24 PM
Well the first GP2 is on the way....and since have a couple tourney's coming up, will just have to win enough to cover the second..
And then have to win more as I know I will have to get both Arsenal's.....
woooohoooooo!!!
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Post by: Mitch Beasley on February 09, 2005, 04:26:43 PM
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