Author Topic: The animal vs. Ultimate Inferno (Read 7852 times)

lilphyzx · « **on:** September 20, 2004, 11:30:18 AM »

Hey fellas which one of these balls is the better ball and why? Which is better on oil and so forth.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #31 on:** September 24, 2004, 04:50:07 PM »

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If there are no dud balls then why do we replace balls with new ones

Hey Flux, I'd say one main reason is to utilize the new technology that is being offered(more hook, more hitting power). As with any object, they also out live their usefulness. The same reason we replace our pc's, cars, tv's and so on. None of these objects were "duds" when we bought them.

Maybe because I have easier access to changing a pattern on a ball or coverstock than most of course, I think any ball can be changed to match a bowler to a certain condition. Even if you try just 3 different patterns with 3 different surfaces on 3 different densities of oil, this becomes 27 different reactions in a sense. If just one of these combinations match up, that can become your favorite ball. Having the right pattern and surface to match your type of game to even just a few conditions. I've yet to hear from the total bowling population that they're in agreement about one ball being a dud. That's why we hear one guy will love a certain ball while the guy next to him hates it. It's still all about the match up and yes, I agree that sometimes (maybe many times) that ball drillers do not spend the time and effort to try and match things up correctly for their customers. It's easier for those guys to tell you you're throwing it incorrectly, unfortunately.

I hope for all you guys out there who walk out with a new ball in your hands and it doesn't work for you the first few times, please keep an open mind that nothing is ever written in stone. You can alter the surface, you can change the statics or if this still doesn't work, then you can replug it and try another pattern. Until you try these few things, you really don't know if this ball was a good match for you or not. You can't just try the one pattern as is and say the ball doesn't work, that's not a fair judgement of the product.

As for my replies, this was just my opinion and my way of expressing myself.

Flux, not sure if you know me, only been in the area about 17 yrs. You might be thinking of Terry Leong, he's the "real" Leong bowler.

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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

pnj1967 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 24, 2004, 05:04:39 PM »

Well after reading all of these posts on this I took it as Rockbowler was questioning the integrity and honesty of both tenpinspro {Rick}, & EXCALIBER, {Carl}.

Rockbowler
Posted: 9/23/2004 12:32 PM
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"TO me, the UI is a lot better than the Animal. I am not sure that tenpinspro and EXCALIBER can give unbiased opinions as they are both on staff with Track. Can they actually criticize a Track ball? "

The original question I thought, was answered by both Tenspinpro & EXCALIBER.

Both of these guys tenpinspro & EXCALIBER have not only been helpful to me but allot of others here on this site.

Rick and Carl keep up the "GOOD ADVISE & HONESTY", and never stop. Thanks, Paul

Edited on 9/24/2004 5:20 PM

icetink · « **Reply #33 on:** September 24, 2004, 05:14:48 PM »

I love you guys!
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-Dino

icetink · « **Reply #34 on:** September 24, 2004, 06:50:15 PM »

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Well I dont know about loving these guys, but I do enjoy their insite and honesty. Kepp it up guys !!!!

that's why I love them
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-Dino

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #35 on:** September 25, 2004, 01:32:31 AM »

Flux,

I agree with Rick that no ball is a dud. More than anything my belief is that some equipment just does not match up to the bowler. Ofcourse it could be a layout issue or as Rick mentioned, a coverstock prep issue.

Paul, back at ya bud. You have been a big help to me as well.

icetink......I really think this is a little too much male bonding

Thanks for the good words fellas. I try to help as much as I can as I will continue to do.
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

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lefty50 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 25, 2004, 05:39:05 AM »

I think this is an excellent direction to take the post, so....
Hey Excalibur, let's prove your point to the previous poster. Please give a reference to any negative review of any Track ball so we can see it.
I have to admit I personally have never seen anyone on this board give any negative review to any ball from the manufacturer they are hooked up with. As you can understand, in order for us to take these $200 decisions seriously, we need to know we're getting straight scoop.
Should be easy to do since not all balls are winners from any company.
Looking forward to your proof. The insight is extremely valuable.

icetink · « **Reply #37 on:** September 25, 2004, 07:55:20 AM »

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I think this is an excellent direction to take the post, so....
Hey Excalibur, let's prove your point to the previous poster. Please give a reference to any negative review of any Track ball so we can see it.
I have to admit I personally have never seen anyone on this board give any negative review to any ball from the manufacturer they are hooked up with. As you can understand, in order for us to take these $200 decisions seriously, we need to know we're getting straight scoop.
Should be easy to do since not all balls are winners from any company.
Looking forward to your proof. The insight is extremely valuable.

It's not very nice to put people on the spot just to 'prove a point'. The higher end Track balls are very true to their descriptions (from what I've seen so far). If you drill a high end ball the way it is meant to react, it will definitely give you that reaction. Track has also been very clear on ball stats (ie. hook potential, length, backend, core power, reaction shape, etc.). They also clearly state what condition the balls should be used for (ie. Med, Medium with carrydown, Heavy, Med-Med/Heavy, etc.).

If someone drills the ball as prescribed by Track's reaction shape rating, the ball often reacts that way giving you the length, backend, hook, and reaction shape as stated on the condition that's stated. Taking all of these factors into consideration, it's hard to expect 'more' from a ball that's only meant to do so much on a certain condition.

For example, I have a Storm Super Power Pearl. I bought this ball to handle heavier amounts of oil than my Brunswick Mica Reactive. The ball reacted great on medium oil, but when I tried it on a heavier pattern, the ball as what I'd consider to be a 'dud'. It just skidded forever. The ball was not intended to be a heavy oil ball in the first place so by stating it's a dud on the conditions it was not intended for is not very accurate.

Ball manufacturers put out specific bowling balls that are meant to handle a variety on conditions. If someone takes an Ultimate Inferno, XXXtreme, and a Track Animal and drills them the same and the UI reacts better (for that person), then the XXXtreme and the Animal don't live to its expectations because now there is a frame reference. I believe that certain balls match up a lot better to certain styles of play, and that is why for some, Track works a lot better, for others may Columbia or Brunswick or Storm or whatever. By having such high expectations of a ball because one of their current balls performs and matches up so well to their game, most balls that don't react as well are often compared to and criticized. People use a reference to compare.
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-Dino

tenpinspro · « **Reply #38 on:** September 25, 2004, 11:41:10 AM »

Hey IceTink, again I'm impressed. If you ever need a job and if I can ever afford to pay you, you can definitely work in my shop. McCracken said he'd work for knowledge and free plugs, so he's covered.

Personally, I'm here to help and provide support in regards to Track products and general knowledge of bowling. I am not here to "sell" Track products. If you choose to use my opinion in your decision to purchase a Track or any other product, then that is "your" choice. As with any information that you gather to help make your decisions, this is simply another platform of data. Comparative to BTM, BJ's and any other bowling magazine(which we pay for), we try and research the best we can in finding out what the products are supposed to do before buying. I am simply trying to help provide more personalized information in the same realm.

I think Flux and others put it very well that this is a forum for which everyone can give their opinions and it is simply that, their opinions. Nothing here should be taking out of context and again, if information taken from this site becomes your deciding factor on purchasing a product, then that is your choice. I feel strongly however that your deciding factor should be a long conversation with "your" personal ball driller as he/she should know you and your game best. Another reason that your driller should be the main person to work with is because they're the one's who are being compensated for your decision, not me. You are paying them for their time and work, not me. If I were to become your ball driller, then I would back everything 110% like I do for all my customers. I would assume all liability and take responsibility for all my words and guarantees of what a product is supposed to do, until then, my words are simply an opinion.

Your choice in opinions of course is up to you, there are too many non-profiled (Bones said it best) users that make it difficult to know who they really are. You don't know when you're getting testimonials from 170avg bowlers who can't throw the ball the same way twice saying good or bad things about equipment. All my mentioned names in this thread and what they accomplished can be looked up and verified. So it's your choice to who and what you want to listen to.

Thanks for the kind words of support....I'm always here for you guys if you need any help.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

Edited on 9/25/2004 11:33 AM

Strider · « **Reply #39 on:** September 25, 2004, 08:08:54 PM »

Other than some idiot kids who didn't shoot 901 out of the box, who has posted a negative review on anything? I haven't looked, but bad reviews are rare; staff members or not. Other than a handful of balls (not necessarily Track) that were released with some cover problems, I can't name a truly bad ball that has been released in the last few years. The Track guys here are bending over backwards giving tons of people as much help as they can. There are some reps in the other manufacturers forums that pop in from time to time, but nothing like the dedication you see here.

:Thumbsup: Track tech support.

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #40 on:** September 26, 2004, 02:54:50 AM »

lefty50,

I have been on staff for roughly a month. All of my reviews are prior to that. Since I have been on staff I have not posted a review. I firmly believe in NOT posting a review until I have put some games on a ball. No one can really tell about a ball until they get some games on it. The guys that post reviews after 3 games or the first game after they got it are not really posting a review on the ball after they have seen it in action enough.

There have been reviews I posted or even mini reviews (found here in the forum) where I posted what I saw out of the ball and it was totally different than want tenpinspro (aka Rick) saw out of it.

What you get in this forum vs what you get in other forums is simple-----you have a few staff guys that help out (which I did long before I was on staff) in any way that they can. We are here to answer questions, suggest layouts, and give general help as best we can.

Prior to being on staff I also reviewed balls from other companies, if I liked the ball I said so, if I didn't like it I said so. Perfect example: Brunswick's Raging Inferno..I liked it. Ultimate Inferno, I didn't.

I have not thrown a Track ball in the last few years that I didn't really like. Think of it like this: As a pro shop owner I have to have faith in the equipment that I am going to suggest to customer. I am going to throw what I feel is going to give me the best opportunity to score. If I didn't think that Track was going to give me that opportunity then I wouldn't have been throwing them before I was even on staff. Another point of view is this: Being on staff sounds all well and fine, but staff members are limited to using that company's equipment. If I didn't think they were the best would I limit myself to using Track exclusively? No. Track has shown faith in me by placing me on staff, and I have shown my faith in Track by throwing them exclusively.

Your asking about a bad review-------even the balls I have totally hated I didn't really trash them in reviews. I simply post my obsertions.

-EX-

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #41 on:** September 27, 2004, 12:53:30 AM »

Hey guys, I think I can speak for both Rick and I when I say thank you for all of the kind words. We try very hard to help people as best we can. It is not easy suggesting layouts for a ball without really seeing the person bowl, the conditions that they are bowling upon, or how their other equipment is drilled in relation to how their game is.

Giving suggestions online is difficult and we do our best with the information we are provided. I can say that in meeting Rick and spending a few days with him, he is a stand up guy (no pun intended

). Without question Rick goes to extra lengths to help ANYONE! There are not very many people that I have met that are as good of a person as he is. He is extremely knowledgeable about the game of bowling and characteristics of a bowling ball.

Thanks again for the kind words, and I apologize if I sounded the least bit offensive in my previous posts on this thread, I just took offense to a few comments that were made and felt the need to speak my mind.

-EX-
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio

Track Intl.-Advisory Staff

icetink · « **Reply #42 on:** October 09, 2004, 08:12:30 PM »

The Ultimate Inferno has yet to impress me. I bowl in a travel league/tournament thing, and quite a few people have an Ultimate Inferno. The UI never really seemed to move a whole lot regardless of what line was played. One bowling had a Hammer Big Blue Pearl and it was out-hooking and out-hitting his UI.

I'm sure that for some, the UI is an excellent ball, but from the people that I've seen use it, the UI hasn't seemed too great. The Original Inferno seems like a much more impressive ball (from what I see). The Intense Inferno doesn't seem like a bad ball either. It seems to handle medium oil quite well, and it's really aggressive on the backends and the yellow/orange colour swirl looks nice, lol!

P.S. These are only my observations from what I've seen from other people and I can't really come to a final conclusion because I personally don't have any balls from the Inferno line.
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-Dino

lilphyzx · « **Reply #43 on:** October 11, 2004, 09:17:51 PM »

Hey fellas I finally got my animal drilled up and have had it for the last 2 weeks. I really like it. It moves pretty good. First game with it I shot a 259, and it won me 100 dollars saturday. Now for the ultimate inferno. I myself one day may purchase one of these balls. I have seen many people throw it, and some guys ive watched live and die by the hooking of it. One guy argued me down when I said the animal was better. But I would expect no more from a guy who has pretty much every ball made by brunswick, along with two UI's drilled differently. When I posted this topic I had a choice between which one I was going to purchase. Because I needed something to handle heavy oil. Now I recently went to a tournament in detroit and watched a guy throw his ultimate and it not turn up to the pocket. So I decided to get the animal and I also bought a regular inferno which I can say I really like. The animal to me handles heavy conditions but mostly importantly between it and the UI, it will most definitely hold better and wont over react. At least in my experience.

tenpinspro · « **Reply #44 on:** October 12, 2004, 07:54:10 AM »

Hey lilphyx,

Glad you like it bud. Good going on the cash too, almost paid for. That's one of the great things about this sport, you always have the capability of making your money back on your investment. Remember gentlemen, that's what we call it in front of the little lady at home, it's an "investment".

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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff

lilphyzx · « **Reply #45 on:** October 12, 2004, 02:26:36 PM »

yeah thats true, you definitely have to tell the wife that you made and investment and so forth because if you keep going to the alley and losing your money she going to say something. I made a crack that I purchase alot of my balls for great prices and that almost sparked a argument. She said how come you get new balls but I dont have any money in my pocket. I wanted to tell her because bowling doesnt piss me off and nag. But I decided to take the mans way out and say my buddy gave me this ball and I got the other ones off ebay.

Hopefully she wont mind the cable getting cut off, a brother needed to buy the animal. LOL LOL LOL.

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