Post by: lilphyzx on September 20, 2004, 11:30:18 AM
Post by: icetink on September 20, 2004, 07:42:04 PM
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Well the Animal is Particle and the Ultimate Inferno is not...
What he's trying to say is that the Animal will destroy the Ultimate Inferno on oil any day
(at least from what I've seen)! Because the Ultimate Inferno is a resin, it requires dry to work well. The Animal on the other hand is continuously gripping the lane (because of the particles) and will provide a better midlane roll and overall hook.Because you posted in the Track forum, I'd think most of the answers you'll get would lean towards the Animal being the better ball, and if you post in the Brunswick forum, you might receive completely different answers. However, from what I've seen, the Animal is a much more impressive heavy oil ball (if that's what you're interested in).
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Post by: lilphyzx on September 20, 2004, 08:16:17 PM
Post by: lilphyzx on September 20, 2004, 08:17:41 PM
Post by: lilphyzx on September 20, 2004, 08:22:06 PM
Post by: a_ak57 on September 20, 2004, 08:26:34 PM
As for drilling, I heard a rumor that morpheus cores do better with the pin under the ring, so you might lean that way. Not sure if there's any truth to that. But likely, that'd be the better option anyways. Mabye you could do like a 4x4 or something? But what are your style/stats? That will help a lot.
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Post by: lilphyzx on September 20, 2004, 08:33:28 PM
Post by: icetink on September 20, 2004, 10:20:45 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on September 21, 2004, 06:28:05 AM
The 2 balls you ask of are really in 2 different classes. The Animal being particle can handle much heavier oil compared to a resin. If you wanted to compare resins, then you'd be looking at the Rule. The Rule out performs the UI easily. The UI isn't a bad ball but the Rule is just a lot more ball in comparison. Why settle for 5 boards on the backend when you can have 10...check out my vids on the Rule bud.
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=61546&ForumID=14&CategoryID=2
I personally don't believe any ball is "bad", there's a time and place for everything.
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
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Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: bowlerstyle on September 21, 2004, 06:37:09 AM
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I'd also suggest keeping the pin under the fingers to help the ball start up earlier in the midlane.
lilphyzx, FYI: If you put the pin under the fingers with a really aggressive ball, and you track just a little bit close to the fingers then almost 95% of the time the bowler will track over his/her middle finger. So don't forget to take that into consideration.
Post by: tenpinspro on September 21, 2004, 06:52:31 AM
Not necessarily true on the Morpheus cores. So long as the mb is placed in a position to assist the flare and desired motion of the ball, the ball won't track over the middle finger. If the mb were placed in a weak position(near track/left of thumb), then maybe it would. We have a lot of guys here who thought the same thing and I'm sure they'll chime in also on this.
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: bowlerstyle on September 21, 2004, 07:00:40 AM
Post by: lilphyzx on September 21, 2004, 11:56:45 AM
Post by: icetink on September 21, 2004, 03:37:58 PM
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So which ball did you buy?
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Hey fellas I just recently purchased the animal. Ive never had track products before so im going on sheer posts and the specs on this ball. What do you guys think of its capabilities on heavy oil. How does it backend and what are the overall thoughts of it. Sorry if it has been posted before.
from http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=63259&ForumID=14&CategoryID=2
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 21, 2004, 03:49:59 PM
bowlerstyle, before changing my release I used to track about 1/4-1/2 of an inch from the fingers and thumb....and you are correct if I placed the pin below the finger line on anything I would track over the middle finger. HOWEVER, with MANY different layouts and MB placements on the morpheous core stuff I went as much as 1- 1 3/4 of an inch below the finger line and never tracked over the finger hold. I was very reluctant to do this, but Del suggested it and told me not to worry. He also said that the Morpheous has been known to lower a bowler's track about 2 inches.
MY TAKE ON THE Ultimate Inferno and ANIMAL
I had an Ultimate Inferno and it is nowhere near what the Animal is in oil. I absolutely had to have dry backends in order to get the Ultimate Inferno to move. As far as heavy oil goes, the Animal is in a class all by itself.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: lilphyzx on September 21, 2004, 07:17:03 PM
Post by: lilphyzx on September 23, 2004, 11:43:16 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 23, 2004, 12:03:33 PM
By 12:00 drill are you meaning pin above the bridge, cg midgrip, and MB under the thumb?
If that is what is being put on it, that is not an aggressive layout and I would reconsider if I were you.
There are a few guys here you can ask about layouts and are willing to give good suggestions. Let us know.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
Track Intl.-Advisory Staff
Post by: Rockbowler on September 23, 2004, 12:32:46 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 23, 2004, 12:52:46 PM
Currently being on staff I can use only Track Equipment during competition.
Another thing you can do is look back through the forums and check for my mini reviews. I post a mini on every ball I throw and do not post a final review until I have thrown minimum of 20 games with the ball. It is very difficult to throw a ball for any less than 20 games and really know the ball. Only time will be able to tell you the tendencies of the ball.
SO, I do take offense to your comment, I have been as honest as possible about every ball I have ever reviewed.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: Rockbowler on September 23, 2004, 01:31:13 PM
Edited on 9/23/2004 1:24 PM
Edited on 9/23/2004 1:28 PM
Post by: lilphyzx on September 23, 2004, 05:27:52 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on September 23, 2004, 06:58:21 PM
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The UI isn't a bad ball but the Rule is just a lot more ball in comparison
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I personally don't believe any ball is "bad", there's a time and place for everything.
Hey RockBowler, how biased is this comment? Being back in the business for about 9-10 years now, it is EXTREMELY important that I tell my customers the truth or I wouldn't be around for long or I wouldn't get any return clientele. I do not generate a ton of new business since we're all in agreement that bowlers are still declining in total. I also don't undercut or cut throat my peers to create business, so you tell me how biased I can be in the big picture? I've lasted this long only because of my honesty, I'm broke because of my honesty. If a bowler doesn't need a ball, I won't sell it to them. I also have 40-50 balls on display at the shop, I don't only sell Track equipment btw.
If lilphyzx asked a comparison between the UI and FreakaZoid, the answer would be that the UI hooks more, simple answer.
In regards to your personal reaction which I cannot disagree with you since you're the one throwing it, the only problem is that I know you bud. You're still in denial that you throw a full roller. Every ball I let you try out from the shop came back with a full roller track and I showed you that. You even gave me a ball from Vegas that you bought and that driller also placed it in a full roller position for you (because he saw your track) so you had me plug it and redrill it for you to your layout(non full roller). With this info, I completely understand why your UI would perform better than your Animal. It still isn't laid out correctly.
I am not paid to be here, everything I suggest out here is simply trying to help others and there is no financial gain to me in one way or another from being on this site. Track does not tell what to say and what not to say. I simply state my opinion and from all my personal and my customers various experiences. I do not like exposing people but since you chose my name I am simply responding in my own defense.
sidenote: I am personally disappointed in seeing this Rocky, we're friends, for you to accuse me of not being honest, why? For every time that you came in the shop, did I once ever tell you that all your other equipment was garbage and that you "needed" a Track ball? I never did that to you, as a matter of fact, I used to ask you what your DT stuff looked like cause I don't get a chance to drill many. Where or when did I ever show you I was dishonest or biased in my opinion?
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Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: Rockbowler on September 23, 2004, 07:44:38 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 23, 2004, 11:28:38 PM
If Track made a ball that I was not impressed with I would say so. It is part of being in the pro shop business. I do not think I would call it a "dud", as I did not even call the Ultimate Inferno a dud or the Anomaly a dud, I said they just did not fulfill my expectations.
The fact is that I have been happy with the lineup Track has released over the last few years. I have not seen a ball that just didn't work for anyone. Each of the releases have had their purpose and they match certian bowler's styles.
The reason I am on staff is that I am helping Track and they are helping me which is going to result into more exposure for them in my area. As a bowler, I prefer Track equipment. As a pro shop, I drill what the customer needs and wants. I will in no way, try to push a customer into Track when that is not what they want. Most of the customers that decide they want a Track ball from my shop have seen me use it and really like the reaction and carry the ball gets.
Honesty and great service is what I offer customers. As Rick mentioned, I am not getting paid to be here to speak on their behalf, I do it because I like to help bowlers in any way that I can.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: tenpinspro on September 24, 2004, 07:11:00 AM
The reason for the passion is because this isn't just a sport to me. It isn't just about fun with the guys or a job that I can forget about after 5pm. I've been doing this for over 25 years at a level where some will never reach. My passion and love for this game has been and will always be there.
Just to mention a few guys, I made Merlin(you know him) who he is today, from 180 to 220. I also taught Allan Reyes (Team champion ABC Nats in New Mexico a few yrs back) who was also at 180 when I met him who finished 230's at Lava Lanes in Oregon last yr. I taught Joe Caina who still holds the California state singles record(879) and won a dbls event at Hoinke. I did this way before I was on staff with any company because I love the game and I love to help make others better at it as well. I've been helping and guiding others for as long as I can remember. Now because I'm on staff you question my intentions in the sport? That's what gets me...I've been helping others for over 15 years in improving and bettering themselves at this sport and all of a sudden, I'm going to lie to appease a ball company. For your information, I've had at least 3 more offers to join other companies but turned them down because I personally believe in Del, his products and his direction with the sport as a whole. I'll list one example, he's the President of a company who travels out there giving lessons personally, not just selling but actually helping the bowler to do better. How many "Presidents" of the other ball companies are out there doing that?
In regards to calling a ball a dud, I averaged 210+ back in the early 80's with plastic(OmegaBowler was there, trophy's also in the showcase). So, can you go any lower than that? What would you consider a dud? A ball that doesn't hook 40 boards with 10 revs? I scored with plastic so anything made today is way better than that, honestly.
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I personally don't believe any ball is "bad", there's a time and place for everything
Again, there's no such thing as a dud or bad ball, you either have to know how to line up or have it redrilled or the cover adjusted to your game as necessary. There are so many variables in the total picture that if you don't have a good driller to help you match things up, you may end up with a poor reaction, that's all. My golf driver is no "better" or "worse" than my lob wedge, just used at a different time and place. However, they both sometimes go the same distance..
Just like Ex states, my loyalty bud is to my customers, they're the ones who put food in my mouth. I have to build their trust in order for them to come back, right? I can't just give them any old ball that doesn't do what they need it to do and send them out the door. Next time you're around, stop in the shop and look at the used ball rack. You won't find a single new or current ball that I took back because the customer was unhappy, want to know why? I give them the right ball for what they need, it may not always be what they want(some want too much hook) but it will be the ball that fits to their game. I appreciate the recommendations to the shop Rock, just wanted you to hear my side.
Sorry for the hijack lilphyzx...
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: tenpinspro on September 24, 2004, 09:09:47 AM
1) per your premise, ball is a dud
2) staff member cannot criticize or say that the ball is a dud
3) staff member is withholding the truth
4) therefore, staff member is lying, right? Reasoning 101(if p, then q)
What did I miss? You keep saying that you're not accusing Ex and I of lying to protect our vested interest but I can't seem to come up with any other conclusion. What am I missing?
Rick
Post by: lilphyzx on September 24, 2004, 11:28:30 AM
. So im keeping it around 180 or so. I really appreciate you guys thoughts and concerns. Thanks.
Post by: Fluxuateher on September 24, 2004, 11:54:29 AM
Post by: Rockbowler on September 24, 2004, 12:40:45 PM
P.S.
Just to really put an end to this, I said in my original post that I am not sure that tenpinspro and EXCALIBER can give unbiased opinions since they are Track staffers. This was more a reference to a Track staffer "who may not bite the hand that feeds him". I should have not mentioned their names. Both says they can give unbiased opinions and I do not question that. Point is, I have not seen a staffer for any ball company criticize a ball here in Ballreviews and like I said, I may never.
Edited on 9/24/2004 12:40 PM
Edited on 9/24/2004 1:06 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on September 24, 2004, 04:50:07 PM
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If there are no dud balls then why do we replace balls with new ones
Hey Flux, I'd say one main reason is to utilize the new technology that is being offered(more hook, more hitting power). As with any object, they also out live their usefulness. The same reason we replace our pc's, cars, tv's and so on. None of these objects were "duds" when we bought them.
Maybe because I have easier access to changing a pattern on a ball or coverstock than most of course, I think any ball can be changed to match a bowler to a certain condition. Even if you try just 3 different patterns with 3 different surfaces on 3 different densities of oil, this becomes 27 different reactions in a sense. If just one of these combinations match up, that can become your favorite ball. Having the right pattern and surface to match your type of game to even just a few conditions. I've yet to hear from the total bowling population that they're in agreement about one ball being a dud. That's why we hear one guy will love a certain ball while the guy next to him hates it. It's still all about the match up and yes, I agree that sometimes (maybe many times) that ball drillers do not spend the time and effort to try and match things up correctly for their customers. It's easier for those guys to tell you you're throwing it incorrectly, unfortunately.
I hope for all you guys out there who walk out with a new ball in your hands and it doesn't work for you the first few times, please keep an open mind that nothing is ever written in stone. You can alter the surface, you can change the statics or if this still doesn't work, then you can replug it and try another pattern. Until you try these few things, you really don't know if this ball was a good match for you or not. You can't just try the one pattern as is and say the ball doesn't work, that's not a fair judgement of the product.
As for my replies, this was just my opinion and my way of expressing myself.
Flux, not sure if you know me, only been in the area about 17 yrs. You might be thinking of Terry Leong, he's the "real" Leong bowler.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: pnj1967 on September 24, 2004, 05:04:39 PM
Rockbowler
Posted: 9/23/2004 12:32 PM
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"TO me, the UI is a lot better than the Animal. I am not sure that tenpinspro and EXCALIBER can give unbiased opinions as they are both on staff with Track. Can they actually criticize a Track ball? "
The original question I thought, was answered by both Tenspinpro & EXCALIBER.
Both of these guys tenpinspro & EXCALIBER have not only been helpful to me but allot of others here on this site.
Rick and Carl keep up the "GOOD ADVISE & HONESTY", and never stop. Thanks, Paul
Edited on 9/24/2004 5:20 PM
Post by: icetink on September 24, 2004, 05:14:48 PM
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Post by: icetink on September 24, 2004, 06:50:15 PM
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Well I dont know about loving these guys, but I do enjoy their insite and honesty. Kepp it up guys !!!!
that's why I love them
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 25, 2004, 01:32:31 AM
I agree with Rick that no ball is a dud. More than anything my belief is that some equipment just does not match up to the bowler. Ofcourse it could be a layout issue or as Rick mentioned, a coverstock prep issue.
Paul, back at ya bud. You have been a big help to me as well.
icetink......I really think this is a little too much male bonding
Thanks for the good words fellas. I try to help as much as I can as I will continue to do.
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: lefty50 on September 25, 2004, 05:39:05 AM
Hey Excalibur, let's prove your point to the previous poster. Please give a reference to any negative review of any Track ball so we can see it.
I have to admit I personally have never seen anyone on this board give any negative review to any ball from the manufacturer they are hooked up with. As you can understand, in order for us to take these $200 decisions seriously, we need to know we're getting straight scoop.
Should be easy to do since not all balls are winners from any company.
Looking forward to your proof. The insight is extremely valuable.
Post by: icetink on September 25, 2004, 07:55:20 AM
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I think this is an excellent direction to take the post, so....
Hey Excalibur, let's prove your point to the previous poster. Please give a reference to any negative review of any Track ball so we can see it.
I have to admit I personally have never seen anyone on this board give any negative review to any ball from the manufacturer they are hooked up with. As you can understand, in order for us to take these $200 decisions seriously, we need to know we're getting straight scoop.
Should be easy to do since not all balls are winners from any company.
Looking forward to your proof. The insight is extremely valuable.
It's not very nice to put people on the spot just to 'prove a point'. The higher end Track balls are very true to their descriptions (from what I've seen so far). If you drill a high end ball the way it is meant to react, it will definitely give you that reaction. Track has also been very clear on ball stats (ie. hook potential, length, backend, core power, reaction shape, etc.). They also clearly state what condition the balls should be used for (ie. Med, Medium with carrydown, Heavy, Med-Med/Heavy, etc.).
If someone drills the ball as prescribed by Track's reaction shape rating, the ball often reacts that way giving you the length, backend, hook, and reaction shape as stated on the condition that's stated. Taking all of these factors into consideration, it's hard to expect 'more' from a ball that's only meant to do so much on a certain condition.
For example, I have a Storm Super Power Pearl. I bought this ball to handle heavier amounts of oil than my Brunswick Mica Reactive. The ball reacted great on medium oil, but when I tried it on a heavier pattern, the ball as what I'd consider to be a 'dud'. It just skidded forever. The ball was not intended to be a heavy oil ball in the first place so by stating it's a dud on the conditions it was not intended for is not very accurate.
Ball manufacturers put out specific bowling balls that are meant to handle a variety on conditions. If someone takes an Ultimate Inferno, XXXtreme, and a Track Animal and drills them the same and the UI reacts better (for that person), then the XXXtreme and the Animal don't live to its expectations because now there is a frame reference. I believe that certain balls match up a lot better to certain styles of play, and that is why for some, Track works a lot better, for others may Columbia or Brunswick or Storm or whatever. By having such high expectations of a ball because one of their current balls performs and matches up so well to their game, most balls that don't react as well are often compared to and criticized. People use a reference to compare.
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Post by: tenpinspro on September 25, 2004, 11:41:10 AM
Personally, I'm here to help and provide support in regards to Track products and general knowledge of bowling. I am not here to "sell" Track products. If you choose to use my opinion in your decision to purchase a Track or any other product, then that is "your" choice. As with any information that you gather to help make your decisions, this is simply another platform of data. Comparative to BTM, BJ's and any other bowling magazine(which we pay for), we try and research the best we can in finding out what the products are supposed to do before buying. I am simply trying to help provide more personalized information in the same realm.
I think Flux and others put it very well that this is a forum for which everyone can give their opinions and it is simply that, their opinions. Nothing here should be taking out of context and again, if information taken from this site becomes your deciding factor on purchasing a product, then that is your choice. I feel strongly however that your deciding factor should be a long conversation with "your" personal ball driller as he/she should know you and your game best. Another reason that your driller should be the main person to work with is because they're the one's who are being compensated for your decision, not me. You are paying them for their time and work, not me. If I were to become your ball driller, then I would back everything 110% like I do for all my customers. I would assume all liability and take responsibility for all my words and guarantees of what a product is supposed to do, until then, my words are simply an opinion.
Your choice in opinions of course is up to you, there are too many non-profiled (Bones said it best) users that make it difficult to know who they really are. You don't know when you're getting testimonials from 170avg bowlers who can't throw the ball the same way twice saying good or bad things about equipment. All my mentioned names in this thread and what they accomplished can be looked up and verified. So it's your choice to who and what you want to listen to.
Thanks for the kind words of support....I'm always here for you guys if you need any help.
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Rick Leong
Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Edited on 9/25/2004 11:33 AM
Post by: Strider on September 25, 2004, 08:08:54 PM
:Thumbsup: Track tech support.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 26, 2004, 02:54:50 AM
I have been on staff for roughly a month. All of my reviews are prior to that. Since I have been on staff I have not posted a review. I firmly believe in NOT posting a review until I have put some games on a ball. No one can really tell about a ball until they get some games on it. The guys that post reviews after 3 games or the first game after they got it are not really posting a review on the ball after they have seen it in action enough.
There have been reviews I posted or even mini reviews (found here in the forum) where I posted what I saw out of the ball and it was totally different than want tenpinspro (aka Rick) saw out of it.
What you get in this forum vs what you get in other forums is simple-----you have a few staff guys that help out (which I did long before I was on staff) in any way that they can. We are here to answer questions, suggest layouts, and give general help as best we can.
Prior to being on staff I also reviewed balls from other companies, if I liked the ball I said so, if I didn't like it I said so. Perfect example: Brunswick's Raging Inferno..I liked it. Ultimate Inferno, I didn't.
I have not thrown a Track ball in the last few years that I didn't really like. Think of it like this: As a pro shop owner I have to have faith in the equipment that I am going to suggest to customer. I am going to throw what I feel is going to give me the best opportunity to score. If I didn't think that Track was going to give me that opportunity then I wouldn't have been throwing them before I was even on staff. Another point of view is this: Being on staff sounds all well and fine, but staff members are limited to using that company's equipment. If I didn't think they were the best would I limit myself to using Track exclusively? No. Track has shown faith in me by placing me on staff, and I have shown my faith in Track by throwing them exclusively.
Your asking about a bad review-------even the balls I have totally hated I didn't really trash them in reviews. I simply post my obsertions.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on September 27, 2004, 12:53:30 AM
Giving suggestions online is difficult and we do our best with the information we are provided. I can say that in meeting Rick and spending a few days with him, he is a stand up guy (no pun intended
). Without question Rick goes to extra lengths to help ANYONE! There are not very many people that I have met that are as good of a person as he is. He is extremely knowledgeable about the game of bowling and characteristics of a bowling ball. Thanks again for the kind words, and I apologize if I sounded the least bit offensive in my previous posts on this thread, I just took offense to a few comments that were made and felt the need to speak my mind.
-EX-
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Youngstown Ohio
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Post by: icetink on October 09, 2004, 08:12:30 PM
I'm sure that for some, the UI is an excellent ball, but from the people that I've seen use it, the UI hasn't seemed too great. The Original Inferno seems like a much more impressive ball (from what I see). The Intense Inferno doesn't seem like a bad ball either. It seems to handle medium oil quite well, and it's really aggressive on the backends and the yellow/orange colour swirl looks nice, lol!
P.S. These are only my observations from what I've seen from other people and I can't really come to a final conclusion because I personally don't have any balls from the Inferno line.
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Post by: lilphyzx on October 11, 2004, 09:17:51 PM
Post by: tenpinspro on October 12, 2004, 07:54:10 AM
Glad you like it bud. Good going on the cash too, almost paid for. That's one of the great things about this sport, you always have the capability of making your money back on your investment. Remember gentlemen, that's what we call it in front of the little lady at home, it's an "investment".
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Ten Pins Pro Shop
Track Intl. - Amateur/Pro Shop Staff
Vise Inserts Staff
Post by: lilphyzx on October 12, 2004, 02:26:36 PM
Hopefully she wont mind the cable getting cut off, a brother needed to buy the animal. LOL LOL LOL.
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 12, 2004, 02:48:11 PM
It seems to me that the UI and the Animal are very close in oil handling capabilities! Near the top but not the real top! AMF Evo Tour, TRiumph TNT, REaction Roll, Reaction Arc, Phenom, Money, etc.
However proprietors have gotten smart and have changed oil patterns and lessened oil volumes to battle particles effectiveness.
That is why these new hybrid reactive urethane balls are so good. They react more than reactive in oil and less than reactive off dry and are non particle particles which can also last longer as oil gets eaten up.
I've seen a lot of this new non particle particle ie activator, soaker M80 or whatever last a long time on a shot that starts out oilly. Actually as good as a particle on heavy volumes? I think not; but more versatile for a longer time.
I believe in general particles fit a smaller set of conditions these new balls allow one to have fewer balls but may not handle the heaviest oil as well as particles.
But AMF's new and unreleased coverstock will! And then some!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: lilphyzx on October 12, 2004, 03:07:18 PM