Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 01:52:27 AM
My name is Jeff Ussery and I am the new Powerhouse Brand Manager working under the Ebonite International umbrella of companies. As you all know, Ebonite International acquired the Track brand in a recent asset purchase. There has been an incredible number of requests for information concerning the future of Track cleaners and polishes. I'm here to provide some details and information for the Track "Legion."
I'll explain something first so that you can better understand our direction. Powerhouse is the pro shop equipment brand that we market all of our equipment and supplies through here at Ebonite International. An intensive re-branding effort is occuring at this time here at Powerhouse. We believe that it's important that our brand is recognized as the best solution for all pro shop operators in the field. Powerhouse will now stand alone as it's own brand in the bowling industry.
Falling under that brand are all of the cleaners and polishes that were in the Ebonite line, as well as the acquired products from the Track brand. At this time, we are taking a look at all products, both existing and potential. Product justifications must be completed any time we add a new product to our line, and we are looking into this right now with regards to the Track cleaners and polishes. What we are really looking for is "the best of the best." So we are in the process of testing our existing products against the ones brought to us by the Track purchase.
There are a few things you should know:
1) Clean n' Dull will continue as Powerhouse Clean n' Dull
2) No Final Decisions have been made with regard to any other product from the Track cleaner and polish line.
So why am I on here explaining this information? First and foremost, we want to clear the air of speculation concerning these products. But more importantly, I'm looking for your feedback concerning the Track line of cleaners and polishes. Reports and data can tell us one thing. But we believe that "The Bowler is Our Boss." That Bowler is you. Right here, and right now.
Here's what I'd like if you're willing to actively participate. Please send your e-mails to jussery@ebonite.com and provide the following information:
1) What Track cleaners and polishes do you find to be outstanding?
2) Why are they better than other products on the market?
3) Have you used any of the Powerhouse/Ebonite brand cleaners and polishes in the past, and how did the Track products compare to these.
Feel free to provide any other information you find to be beneficial. Only e-mails with VALUABLE INFORMATION will be considered and kept for reference.
On a side-note, I know nothing about the Track bowling ball or bowling bag lines, so please do not send me e-mails for information concerning this.
I look forward to your responses.
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Jeff Ussery
Powerhouse Brand Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 04, 2007, 10:16:01 AM
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Post by: Weaser on April 04, 2007, 10:16:02 AM
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Gary
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 04, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
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Jeff - Please refer to tenpinspro post in this forum 4/3/2007 8:19AM on same topic - thanks!!!!
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http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=160056&ForumID=14&CategoryID=2
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on April 04, 2007, 10:20:20 AM
E-mail sent and I included some info on comparing powerhouse factory finish with magic shine.
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C-G Pro Shop
Official "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 10:21:00 AM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 10:22:08 AM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 04, 2007, 10:23:47 AM
Clean N' Dull
Power Wash
However, I also like using:
Clean N' Tacky
Magic Shine
I guess if Magic Shine wasn't around, I would look into Brunswick's high gloss finish polish. I don't know if other people are thinking the same thing but that's what I am thinking. If I were Ebonite, I would want to keep the Magic Shine going.
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Edited on 4/4/2007 10:24 AM
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 10:29:25 AM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on April 04, 2007, 10:32:14 AM
Replyed to your email reply, It contains another ball that I did the comparison on. The result of that is in the reply aswell.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Official "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 04, 2007, 10:39:39 AM
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Is there a particular reason you wouldn't consider using Factory Finish if Magic Shine was unavailable? Have you had any experience with Factory Finish? Just gathering the information. Thanks for replying!
Oh I am sorry. I would not be against trying Ebonite's also, it's just that I have been wanting to try the Brunswick stuff first if Track wasn't around anymore.
Probably I would try a bunch of polishes if the Track ones weren't around, or if Magic Shine was still there I would just use that.
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Edited on 4/4/2007 10:42 AM
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 10:42:16 AM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on April 04, 2007, 10:43:07 AM
I dont know if you remember it but IMO brunswicks factory is close to Tracks old Clean n Polish. That is what I see out of brunswicks factory.
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Mark "scoot" Trgovac
C-G Pro Shop
Official "Spokesman"
Youngstown, Ohio
(The fallowing is said in a larry the cable guy type voice) "You mean to tell me that if I drill a Mass bias Ba-all, that the cd dunt matter for anything other then wens you weight it up?"
"Freak Bowling Ball cleaner of the TRACK Revolution."
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 04, 2007, 11:03:42 AM
I just got a new quart(?) of Clean N' Dull and Power Wash so I am good for the summer/pending nuclear winter. Maybe less on the Power Wash because I go through that stuff like water... Sweet delicious water.
The stuff I am currently using is:
Storm Reacta Shine
Storm XTRA Shine
Track Power Wash
Track Clean N' Dull
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Post by: jls on April 04, 2007, 11:18:24 AM
clean and dull, power wash, magic shine, clean and tacky.
we could get along with just clean and dull. clean and tacky is basically the same thing.
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jls31316
Post by: TheDude on April 04, 2007, 11:48:52 AM
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Roto-Grip Star Proshop
Etonic Stabilites Dress wearer.
Montreal, Quebec.
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: jls on April 04, 2007, 12:04:43 PM
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Will columbia's 320-600-1200-2000 still be around?
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shop
Roto-Grip Star Proshop
Etonic Stabilites Dress wearer.
Montreal, Quebec.
jeff, forgot to mention degree polish. it is not a big seller mainly do to the fact that it only comes in quarts. wish is was available in a 4 or 6 oz bottle. however we do sell a fair amount of it by the quart. and we do use degree in our shop for most polish jobs.
it would be missed!!!!
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jls31316
Post by: shelley on April 04, 2007, 12:14:06 PM
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we could get along with just clean and dull. clean and tacky is basically the same thing.
Except that one is legal for use at any time, the other is only before or after competition. While they may both work very well and do essentially the same thing, the legal/illegal nature of C&T might make it less attractive to some bowlers.
SH
Post by: Litespeed on April 04, 2007, 12:32:53 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 04, 2007, 12:40:39 PM
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Post by: freak761 on April 04, 2007, 12:42:17 PM
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 12:47:17 PM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 04, 2007, 01:04:29 PM
The Track Cleaners and Polishes are all still available through your local bowling pro shops (for consumers) and your distributors (for pro shops). At this time, all products are in stock and available for purchase. If there is a product that you really like, you're still able to get it at this time.
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on April 04, 2007, 01:37:51 PM
I still stand by the more in depth answers/observations I gave you on this subject in the past. Where I believe some things can be replaced or "done away with"..........Clean n Dull/Clean n Tacky are the staple of the Track cleaners.
Keep up the good work!
Carl
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C-G Pro Shop (owner/operator)
Youngstown Ohio
Tag Team Member #1
TAG TEAM COACHING!!!!!!/Co-Founder
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 04, 2007, 01:57:17 PM
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Post by: jls on April 04, 2007, 02:51:24 PM
quote:quote:
we could get along with just clean and dull. clean and tacky is basically the same thing.
Except that one is legal for use at any time, the other is only before or after competition. While they may both work very well and do essentially the same thing, the legal/illegal nature of C&T might make it less attractive to some bowlers.
SH
shelley, not a problem. just take an empty bottle of clean and dull and fill it with clean and tacky.
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Post by: shelley on April 04, 2007, 02:58:31 PM
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shelley, not a problem. just take an empty bottle of clean and dull and fill it with clean and tacky.
Of course, why didn't I think of cheating? You may not see the point to putting the two cleaners on different lists, but the rule is still the rule until it's changed.
SH
Post by: jls on April 04, 2007, 03:11:55 PM
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shelley, not a problem. just take an empty bottle of clean and dull and fill it with clean and tacky.
Of course, why didn't I think of cheating? You may not see the point to putting the two cleaners on different lists, but the rule is still the rule until it's changed.
SH
shelly
now do you really think that all of those so called bottles with labels that say USBC approved still have the original product in them???
but you are right about these two products being on different list.
that's pretty stupid.
also, today we are finding more bowlers are cleaning their balls at home.
the jackie gleason days of walking into a bowling alley and cleaning your balls are over. so therefore the legal/illegal thing does not apply.
and some bowlers are even washing their towels!!!!!!!
is this a great country or what.
now off to the golf channel, it's MASTERS week.
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jls31316
Post by: CHawk15 on April 04, 2007, 03:38:10 PM
Clean n Dull
Clean n Tacky
Power Wash
Magic Shine
I've gotten better ball reaction out of Magic Shine than Factory Finish, which is why I use it. If Magic Shine wasn't available, I'd probably go with Reacta Shine Polish because I use alot of Storm/Roto Grip equipment.
The one thing I really like about the Power Wash is the way it emulsifies the oil if used on a spinner. You can actually see how oil saturated the bowling ball is as opposed to other methods of drawing oil out of a ball.
Edited on 4/4/2007 3:39 PM
Post by: shelley on April 04, 2007, 03:42:07 PM
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shelly
now do you really think that all of those so called bottles with labels that say USBC approved still have the original product in them???
That's entirely beside the point. That "everyone" does it doesn't make it more right or less wrong, it just means that "everyone" doesn't care about the rules. We wonder where integrity has gone in our sport, I say that cheating by either skirting or ignoring the rules in that way is just as bad as prebowling your own 900s.
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are over. so therefore the legal/illegal thing does not apply.
No, it still applies. It's just harder to enforce.
SH
Post by: jls on April 04, 2007, 03:56:58 PM
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shelly
now do you really think that all of those so called bottles with labels that say USBC approved still have the original product in them???
That's entirely beside the point. That "everyone" does it doesn't make it more right or less wrong, it just means that "everyone" doesn't care about the rules. We wonder where integrity has gone in our sport, I say that cheating by either skirting or ignoring the rules in that way is just as bad as prebowling your own 900s.quote:
are over. so therefore the legal/illegal thing does not apply.
No, it still applies. It's just harder to enforce.
SH
shell, the world has real serious problems.
like iraq, iran, canada, just about every kid in school smoking pot. teacher's doing students, that big tax outfit cheating our govt. out of $70 mil.
morgan presslers clubs are missing. downtown chicago has been invaded by baby coyotes. the cubs are for sale.
i really don't think using some clean and tacky is going to make the top 1,000,000 list. it's another stupid rule by the usbc. and people wonder why bowling is in the toilet.
little too much salt in your diet.
you really need to start watching more womens golf on the golf channel.
it will do you good.
we don't want to see you at 39 or 42 in the paper. obit section.
it was a joke about clean and tacky. the fact that some "fee" counter at the usbc proberly overlooked this item and put it on the wrong list is just plain stupid.
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Edited on 4/4/2007 3:59 PM
Post by: shelley on April 04, 2007, 04:00:22 PM
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shell, the world has real serious problems
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i really don't think using some clean and tacky is going to make the top 1,000,000 list. it's another stupid rule by the usbc. and people wonder why bowling is in the toilet.
No shti, sherlock. I never said (or even intended to say) that using illegal cleaners was the end of the world. Nevertheless, when every third post is about the loss of integrity in the sport, advising other bowlers not to follow the rules seems a bit, I dunno, wrong.
SH
Post by: DanR on April 04, 2007, 04:33:12 PM
Post by: shelley on April 04, 2007, 04:47:13 PM
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who has integrity???? how many out there right now cheat on their imcome tax.
drive 10 miles over the speed limit, bang who is ever bangable,
take all putts from 5 feet. count every other stroke. put items on the bottom of the shopping cart hoping the checker won't see it.
So far as I know, I don't cheat on my income taxes. I send all the envelopes I get in the mail that say things like "Important Tax Documents Enclosed" to my aunt (a CPA, she's awesome). If she's cheating for me, I'd never know it, but I don't believe she would do that.
I drive more like 8 miles over the speed limit,
I don't play golf, I dress badly enough as it is.
I've gone back into the store to pay for something I found in the bottom of the cart.
I don't bang whoever is bangable, but that's less by choice than those other things.
I do feel that integrity in sports is a cornerstone of fair competition. I'll not cheat to win, thank you.
I fully expect to make it to Easter Sunday, I have a wedding (not mine) to go to on Saturday. I consume very little salt; in fact, my BP is on the low side, as is my cholesterol. Heberts are pretty hardy and we have pretty good genes.
SH
Post by: jls on April 04, 2007, 04:55:04 PM
are we, you saying that golfers dress poorly.
is your tele broke. have you ever seen natalie, paula etc dress.
now don't even get me started on how bowlers dress!!!!!!
sure glad we are off the clean and tacky thing.
and glad to hear about your good health.
personally, i really don't care if someone uses clean and tacky before, during, or after. if one is worried about when one is using that product, one has problems.
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Edited on 4/5/2007 10:40 AM
Post by: cnimsk on April 04, 2007, 09:56:48 PM
I've used both Ebonite and Track cleaners and much prefer Track. Reason: Superior cleaning by Clean n' Dull and the fact that Ebonite's Powerhouse cleaner tends to leave a sheen on matte surface bowling balls after a couple of uses. Clean n' Dull doesn't, maintaining the finish of a bowling ball whether it's polished or matte. Plus it's a deeper cleaner than the Powerhouse. I have cleaned a bowling ball with the Powerhouse at the lanes after use, driven someone home, returned to my residence, (about thirty minutes elapsed time) and recleaned the ball with Clean n' Dull and still gotten more "black" stuff off the ball. Now....not much to be sure, but still some more oil does come off, wiped off with a white terry cloth towel. I will say I've had a similar experience using Storm's Recta Clean. Again...the difference isn't much but it is there. That's what convinced me of the power of Clean n'Dull. I haven't tried either Power Wash nor Clean n'tacky.
I'm gratified and happy that Ebonite is going to continue the production of Clean n'Dull. It's a great cleaner. And congratulations on your new job as well. The best of luck to you!
Chuck
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 05, 2007, 07:37:50 AM
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Can someone explain what the Power Wash is? Is this Track's version of a ball cleaner?
It's a powerful spray cleaner.
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on April 05, 2007, 08:23:38 AM
-VS-
Track Clean'N Dull
See attached picture.
Click Here CND Test (http://"http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w89/aloarjr810/bowlingxtras/cnd_ener.jpg")
Balls used in test-
Ball#1-A Track EMB with the coverstock freshly dulled with a green Scotchbrite.
Ball#2-A Ebonite NitroR2 Classic with the coverstock freshly Dulled to 600grit.
Ball condition at time of test-
Ball#1 was used for 3 games in a night Mixed league. After the league the ball was shiny with oil and a normal amount of grime & dirt. The ball sat for 30 minutes before cleaning.
Ball#2 was used for 3 games in a night Men's league. After the league the ball was shiny with oil and a normal amount of grime & dirt. The ball sat for a week before cleaning. The oil now had been absorbed and surface dirty.
Cleaning procedure used-(This was done without a ball spinner.)
Cleaner was applied to half the ball and allowed to soak in 30-45 sec. Then rubbed in by hand with a papertowel until cleaned and then allowed to dry. A 2nd application would be used if needed.
What was looked for from product-
Cleaning ability,Ball dullness and amount of tacky feel as compared to the fresh surface of the ball. Tacky feel is rated "No tack 1"-"5 Most tack"
The Results-
Ball#1-Energizer Cleaner was applied to the 1st half of the ball and it removed from the surface most of the visible oil & grime.
The coverstock had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "2"
A 2nd application was used and a little more grime seemed to be removed.The coverstock still had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "3"
Next Track Clean'N Dull was applied to the other half of ball#1 and it removed all of the visible oil & grime. The coverstock dullness was returned to the freshly dulled condition. Also no oil lines were visible in the track area. Tacky feel rated "5". No 2nd application needed
Ball#2-Energizer Cleaner was applied to the 1st half of the ball and it removed from the surface most of the visible dirt grime.
The coverstock had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "3"
A 2nd application was used and no more grime seemed to be removed.The coverstock still had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "3"
Next Track Clean'N Dull was applied to the other half of ball#2 and it removed all of the visible grime. The coverstock dullness was returned to the freshly dulled condition. Also no oil lines were visible in the track area. Tacky feel rated "5". No 2nd application needed.
Conclusion-
Ebonite Powerhouse Energizer Cleaner is a good citrus based ball surface cleaner and is a easy to use spray. It removes most surface oil and grime. But does not draw out oil from the coverstock well (The visible oil lines left).
Track Clean'N Dull is a excellent surface cleaner and is a easy to use gel.It removes all surface oil and grime and It draws the oil out of the coverstock very well. (No visible oil lines left).
Ebonite Powerhouse Energizer Cleaner makes a good quick to use cleaner, But Clean'N Dull is a better deep cleaner. Which would give the ball longer life do to it's ability to draw more oil out of the coverstock.
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Post by: DanR on April 05, 2007, 02:23:31 PM
Post by: shelley on April 05, 2007, 02:27:34 PM
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I perfer the Powerhouse BALL CLEANER than the Energizer because it dried cleaner without leaving a haze on the ball. The ball seems to feel slick using the Energizer cleaner.
Excellent. That happened to me when I tried Powerhouse Energizer. The ball felt greasy, slick after using it. Seemed like no amount of rubbing would get it off. I thought for a long time it was a bum bottle of cleaner, I had gotten it from the shop about half full, which he topped off out of a larger bottle in the back room. I thought he had put the wrong stuff in it.
SH
Post by: jls on April 05, 2007, 05:13:11 PM
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I perfer the Powerhouse BALL CLEANER than the Energizer because it dried cleaner without leaving a haze on the ball. The ball seems to feel slick using the Energizer cleaner.
Excellent. That happened to me when I tried Powerhouse Energizer. The ball felt greasy, slick after using it. Seemed like no amount of rubbing would get it off. I thought for a long time it was a bum bottle of cleaner, I had gotten it from the shop about half full, which he topped off out of a larger bottle in the back room. I thought he had put the wrong stuff in it.
SH
my point exactly about the rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now say your sorry.
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jls31316
Post by: RCKYURWLD on April 05, 2007, 08:56:37 PM
Why can't Ebonite market all the Track cleaners with the Track Product line? Just as you bought out Hammer, you can go to the Hammer website and get Hammer balls, Hammer bags. Why not have a complete Track line to include the cleaners and polishes? It's all money in Ebonite's pocket anyway? You know there was something special going on with Track. You guys can take it and run with it. Track was putting out some excellent equipment. If you guys can continue in the direction Track was headed by producing the same kind of innovative equipment You know it will be a good thing for all. Why not have all the gear, the polishes and THE LEGION remain intact?
The cleaners; Power wash, Clean and Dull/Tacky are excellent. Clean and sheen is base compound 1,000. Clean and Smooth 1500... I like them all
I use the Magic Shine and find that to be great. Miss the Clean and Polish which was 5000 and the Delayed Reaction is just that.
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Cleveland, Ohio
One of the last holdouts that will continue throwing the last of the San Antonio made Track equipment
Current Arsenal in use
Rule GP2
Animal 2 1 Pin up/out. 2 Pin below fingers
Mutant
Rule 2 1 Pin up. 2 Leverage
Thrash
Freak Out
Track Magic
Sugar Ray Glove spare ball
Currently stocking up on the last of the Track San Antonio products to be drilled at a later date
I don't need the newest, The Track products made in Texas over the last few years are phenominal. I'm sure they will serve me well for years to come.
Post by: SteveAustin2808 on April 05, 2007, 11:33:45 PM
I have gotta agree with Randy on this one. The following Track has on this site and just in general is really amazing. My recommendation is to keep everything and see how the data stacks up. If the profit is there, then you keep it. If it isn't, that is when you start thinking about what goes and what stays. Hope this helps buddy! God Bless You and have a great week!
--Michael--
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Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 06, 2007, 08:36:11 AM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Post by: Hamburglar on April 06, 2007, 03:59:23 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on April 10, 2007, 12:37:04 AM
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Post by: charlest on April 10, 2007, 06:57:13 AM
It reduces the backend dramatically and adds shine and length. The reduction of backend on dry lanes is very important when you don't have a pearl urethane of a real dry lane resin ball or enough ball speed.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited on 4/10/2007 7:01 AM
Post by: charlest on April 10, 2007, 07:00:16 AM
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Thanks again! I just wanted to see if you had tried the Powerhouse Factory Finish or not. Thanks for your replies!
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com
Jeff,
I had tried Powerhouse Factory Finish polish several years ago and found that unless the ball was at least at 800 grit (higher/finer was also good), that it was very, very hard to get any real shine on the ball. So it seemed not to work when the ball was at 400 or 600 grit; that's why I stopped using it. Magic SHine (and Brunswick's high gloss polish) still worked at lower grits.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Jeff Ussery on April 10, 2007, 07:40:28 AM
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Jeff Ussery
Pro Shop Services Manager
Pro Shop Help Desk Hotline - 866-464-3791
jussery@ebonite.com