Author Topic: Accounting for different releases in layouts (Read 1044 times)

cd · « **on:** June 23, 2006, 02:03:50 AM »

Over time I have been working on using different hand positions, which affect my release. In doing this my axis point location has been between the range of 3 1/2" over and 5/8" up to 5 1/4" over and 1 1/2" up. One is a low track and one is a high track.

Basically, I have three or four hand positions which allow me to affect the PAP accordingly in the range above.

How should I account for this range in my drilling layouts, so the ball is useful for every hand position I use?

Thanks
Chuck

clintdaley · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2006, 01:19:25 PM »

I have always considered having more than one release in essence giving you more balls in your arsenal...if you can change the pin to PAP distance, you change the roll on the ball...it makes you much more versatile in the long run...

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cd · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2006, 01:43:24 PM »

Thanks for the response Clint. I absolutely agree. I am wondering what layouts I should use to best take advantage of different hand positions.

For example, if I start with a 4 1/2" pin to PAP for length, with my normal release, the pin to PAP could be 3 1/2" for a different release. Am I over analyzing this?

Thanks
Chuck

clintdaley · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2006, 02:14:31 PM »

Well...think about this....if you have something with a 3 3/8 pin to PAP currently...that gives you room on both sides to change your PAP...an inch higher or lower...If you usually get a lower PAP when you change hand positions, I would not have pins close to your PAP when you start, and vice versa. Something in the middle gives you room each way.

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clintdaley · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2006, 04:28:00 PM »

When you spin the ball more or roll the ball more, it moves your PAP accordingly as well...

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Re-Evolution · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2006, 05:20:38 PM »

Are you sure that you are actually changing your PAP that much.
I too can change my track but my PAP changes very little when I do so.
Just because your track moves doesn't mean that your PAP has changed too.
I can range from just off the edge of the thumb and 2 inches from fingers to 1.5" from the thumb and 2.5" from the fingers. My PAP ranges from >5.25 x ^1.5" to >5.75 x ^.75. These were found using the oil ring and spinner technique to ensure accuracy.

Even if you are changing it that much you have to remember that when you increase your tilt you gain length and vise versa so some of the benefit of the drilling change is negated. Besides that the roll and ball surface have much more affect than the changes in Pin to PAP distance especially if dealing with asym since they retain most of their flare at longer pin distances.

To answer your question though I would base them on your axis from your A game/natural release.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2006, 09:01:32 PM »

Chuck,

You are not over analyzing it at all. It is the correct way to look at things. The very reason you spoke of is why I feel asymmetrical equipment is best....having the MB as a way to change reaction is HUGE, especially if you can alter your PAP as much as you have stated.

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Bowljr300 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2006, 09:10:02 PM »

You change your pap by adding tilt to your release. This can be accomplished several ways:

1. Change the pitches in your grip;
2. Cock your wrist, which adds tilt;
3. Rotate your hand around the ball at the release point--this adds rotation and tilt;
4. Alter your swing so that you release on the "down".

Keep in mind that a bowler can have tilt and still have rotation or be an end over end player.

toomanytenpins · « **Reply #8 on:** June 25, 2006, 09:07:42 AM »

if u have the versatility in your hand positions wouldnt you want more of a constant with your drillings and setups. Most people drill different setups for the vetsatility i would think. Wouldnt adding more variables just confuse the situation.
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jodyk24 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2006, 10:52:13 AM »

This is a great topic and has been bugging me for quite a while now. I have used the same PAP for some time now and the hole was always visible and no wobble. I used the same 4 7/8 and 7/8 up for years. I have a old spare storm I have used for years and the track is high as always. Now after the asymmetrical equipment came out my track moved way down to a low track and on the spinner I can see that the old PAP is way different. The normal answer from most drillers is the coverstocks and cores are causing this so don't worry about it. I have some stacked drills on equipment that the weight hole is just straight in to the core for weight removal but the track on the ball is the same. I think pitches do come into play and changing my pitch on the thumb from
3/8 to the palm back to 1/8 has changed the track somewhat.

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2006, 04:42:00 PM »

Hey lorok,

Even though you are changing rotation angle on the releases, you are most likely not chnaging the tilt as stated. If your wrist is pretty firm at the point of release, you are releasing in the 3 different "rotation angles" in an "upright" position.

The term "upright" in regards to a ball is very similar to our car or bicycle tire. In an upright position, we can steer the car/bike in any direction whereas if the tire was "tilted" or leaning sideways (like when you get off the bike) we cannot. This is where we define ball motion to where we need the ball to "stand up" or basically return to 0 degrees before it can react. If you were able to create tilt, you would see the difference in your pap because it would cause some vertical movement on your vertical axis line. PM me bud if you want me to elaborate, thanks.

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